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Two soccer questions

RJKarl said:
""I fucking hate you RJKarl" - Me, just now and muttered under my breath just about anytime I see a post from you
-I admit that I'm guilty of saying that and it is not very nice. I do not feel sorry and thus will not apologize because I really do fucking hate you. You're a miserable person. Everyone fucking hates you. You're either the greatest troll of all time or the biggest, most immature attention whore ever. I still can't tell."

This says infinitely more about you than it does about me.

It's sad someone so young can be filled with such hate for someone he doesn't know.
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The picking on the old man card!!! Well played, Mr. Karl. Well played indeed...
 
BeachBumDeac said:
Just get a hobby instead.

Fucking millennials
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159<9861

Ugh Gen Xers

CheesePritchard said:
At least when we posted on the Boards in college we were actually good!
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Yup, Wake basketball was one of my hobbies but not really sure what to do now. Guess I'm entitled to take out my disappointment and angst on other people anonymously in over dramatic posts on a message board. I wish I did anything else with my life.

RJKarl said:
""I fucking hate you RJKarl" - Me, just now and muttered under my breath just about anytime I see a post from you
-I admit that I'm guilty of saying that and it is not very nice. I do not feel sorry and thus will not apologize because I really do fucking hate you. You're a miserable person. Everyone fucking hates you. You're either the greatest troll of all time or the biggest, most immature attention whore ever. I still can't tell."

This says infinitely more about you than it does about me.

It's sad someone so young can be filled with such hate for someone he doesn't know.
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Nope, definitely a troll. Nevermind then.
 
2 more soccer questions from another guy who knows very little about soccer:

1) How are the 4 teams assigned to each of the 8 Groups determined? Hear a lot about us being in the Group of Death, so wondering if that is legit, or just American whining.

2) Anybody watch the lead story on HBO Real Sports last night about fixing soccer matches?
 
qcdeac said:
2 more soccer questions from another guy who knows very little about soccer:

1) How are the 4 teams assigned to each of the 8 Groups determined? Hear a lot about us being in the Group of Death, so wondering if that is legit, or just American whining.

2) Anybody watch the lead story on HBO Real Sports last night about fixing soccer matches?
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for 1)

there are 4 pots of teams based on FIFA seeding

FIFA-World-Cup-2014-Pot-Allocations.jpg


they have a live draw where they have those ping pong ball machines and they take out a ball from Pot One then take out a Group Letter Ball and pair them up and so on. You can't have more than 2 teams from the same confederation (essentially the continent they're from) in a group
 
Thanks Barca & BB. I was guessing 4 Pots, but was thinking it was based more on world ranking than geography. From the Wiki link #2, #13, #14 and #23 (at the time of drawing) are in our group.

I wish they would base it more on ranking than geography, but I get it. Would be cool to see US vs. Mexico in the group stage.

I assume the live ping pong ball draw is televised. We do one of those in a fantasy football league (even have had a homemade ping pong ball machine) and it is awesome.
 
qcdeac said:
I wish they would base it more on ranking than geography, but I get it. Would be cool to see US vs. Mexico in the group stage.
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The problem with that is that results in FIFA World Cups (as well as other "competitive" *non-friendly* matches) all count towards a countries and their confederations rankings, which helps determine how many spots (of the 32 total) each confederation gets in a World Cup.


It's kind of the same idea as conference teams being drawn far away from each other in the NCAA basketball tournament.
 
The NYT did come up with a draw system that someone linked a couple weeks ago that accounts for both geography and ranking that created much more balanced groups and 99% of the time created a fairer draw than the method FIFA uses. There are 3 groups of death this year and 3 ridiculously easy ones.

Also the FIFA rankings are complete shit so that's a factor as well because Switzerland should have never been a seed over France, Italy, England, Portugal or the Netherlands.
 
So if CONCACAF teams continue to do well in this World Cup (and over the next few years), CONCACAF could get another "bid" in the 2018 World Cup for a team like Panama (a team based on current rank seems to be have been on the 2014 bubble)?

Goddamnit, spent some time Googling and this actually makes sense. I couldn't have told you that confederations exist, much less what their names were before today. Thanks all: this will make the rest of the World Cup more interesting for me. Also didn't know Germany was ranked so high...though a 4-0 win over Portugal should have clued me in. The 2nd half of that Germany-Ghana game was the best half of non-US soccer I have ever seen and has piqued my interest on the sport.

http://www.mlssoccer.com/worldcup/2...onfederation-besting-others-check-it-out-here

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CONCACAF#World_Cup_participation
 
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qcdeac said:
http://www.mlssoccer.com/worldcup/2...onfederation-besting-others-check-it-out-here

So if CONCACAF teams continue to do well in this World Cup (and over the next few years), CONCACAF could get another "bid" in the 2018 World Cup for a team like Panama (a team based on current rank seems to be have been on the 2014 bubble)?

Goddamnit, spent some time Googling and this actually makes sense. I couldn't have told you that confederations exist, much less what their names were before today. Thanks all: this will make the rest of the World Cup more interesting for me.

http://www.mlssoccer.com/worldcup/2...onfederation-besting-others-check-it-out-here

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CONCACAF#World_Cup_participation
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Bids aren't done in the same way as the NCAA tournament for example. Each confederation has a set qualification system from which their teams qualify and each confederation has a preset allotment of teams that will qualify for the World Cup. So the better that CONCACAF does, the better the chance that CONCACAF is awarded an additional qualifying spot. Currently CONCACAF has 3.5 spots. 3 teams go straight into the WC and the fourth goes to a playoff with an Oceania team for the final spot which Mexico won against New Zealand.

In addition to that it makes it more likely that FIFA increases their ranking coefficient for CONCACAF teams(essentially a multiplier which is currently tied for lowest) which increases the chance that the USA gets a seed in 2018 since matches against other CONCACAF teams will be worth more points in the ranking system.
 
CR and MEX doing well this tournament does indeed help the US' chances for a seed in 2018. Could be a massive boost.
 
BarcaDeac said:
for 1)

there are 4 pots of teams based on FIFA seeding

FIFA-World-Cup-2014-Pot-Allocations.jpg


they have a live draw where they have those ping pong ball machines and they take out a ball from Pot One then take out a Group Letter Ball and pair them up and so on. You can't have more than 2 teams from the same confederation (essentially the continent they're from) in a group
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Do you think it would be better if they seeded the first sixteen teams in a balanced fashion, then did a draw?
 
A few questions:

1) Why is injury time not exact? The Italy/Uruguay game, there had to be 10 minutes of time. Second half of Ghana game, there was barely any. Refs says both were 5 minutes? Also, I've seen substitutions, and fake injuries in injury time. The Ref still blew the whistle right at what the injury time was suppose to be. He didn't add this on.

Better Solution? Why not just stop the clock on out of bounds plays, Fouls? Then you could have added replay, etc if needed. It would be a lot more accurate. AS we saw in the Portugal game, 30 seconds can matter.
 
Once they say that you can stop the clock then people will call for commercial TV breaks. I'm not even willing to get near being on that road.
 
deacvision7 said:
Once they say that you can stop the clock then people will call for commercial TV breaks. I'm not even willing to get near being on that road.
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Agreed. Right now one of the main things I am enjoying about watching soccer is the lack of stoppage in play.
 
So have the 4th official keep a stopwatch to calculate the stoppage time to a more exact number? That way, the game clock keeps running, but the 4th official keeps track of how much stoppage time there should be over the course of each half, then puts that up on his board down to the second.

I realize I'm mostly still bitter about the way the Portugal-US game ended, but the vagueness of extra time has always frustrated me
 
WFUtoUSC said:
So have the 4th official keep a stopwatch to calculate the stoppage time to a more exact number? That way, the game clock keeps running, but the 4th official keeps track of how much stoppage time there should be over the course of each half, then puts that up on his board down to the second.

I realize I'm mostly still bitter about the way the Portugal-US game ended, but the vagueness of extra time has always frustrated me
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Yes agreed. There have been 2 goals in stoppage play so far that may have decided who Is going to the next round. I love the fact I get to watch a whole half of soccer without TV timeouts. Much like the Stanley Cup, which has I think 1 TV timeout during a period, it makes it very enjoyable to watch from a fan perspective. But if I'm on the field, the ref isn't enforcing me sitting down for 30 seconds with an injury in stoppage play. The time can get added on, but doesn't. Seems so ridiculous.
 
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