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Big 5 conference money disparity could lead to a shake up with the Big 12

Shorty said:
Correct. The ACC can't just kick Wake out for sucking. The conference would have to show good cause, which among other things, is defined in the bylaws as being deemed ineligible by the NCAA for a sport required for membership. And even at that, it would take a vote of three fourths of the other member schools.

Wake is in trouble if the current P5 arrangement evolves into something different. But we are not getting booted from the ACC.
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So that is how SMU, Houston & little ole Rice got dropped a few years ago by the Big 8 going to the Big 12? Remember they were once all from Texas plus Arkansas and added Missouri, Kansas, K State, OK, OK St & Iowa St while dropping a few in their reorganization. What's the diff?
 
TheReff said:
So that is how SMU, Houston & little ole Rice got dropped a few years ago by the Big 8 going to the Big 12? Remember they were once all from Texas plus Arkansas and added Missouri, Kansas, K State, OK, OK St & Iowa St while dropping a few in their reorganization. What's the diff?
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Texas, Texas A&M, Baylor, and Texas Tech left the SWC and joined the Big 8. The other four teams then had to find other homes.

For the same scenario to replicate with the ACC, at least 7 members would have to leave to get the conference to below 8 members.
 
Nothing more pathetic than WF "fans" going chicken little running around claiming that WF is about to get booted from the ACC. That will never happen. Ever.

Also, there is nothing to even remotely indicate that the ACC will break up. The conference is as healthy in football and basketball as it has ever been (two NC game appearances over the last two years in football; a record number of teams in the sweet 16). The conference is a cash cow right now.

10 years from now; WF will still be in the ACC and cashing huge checks from the conference. Just hope that WF works in a few bowl games and NCAA appearances in that time frame.

By the way, this is typical Reff agitation. Totally blind to the fact that it has never been easier for smaller private schools to compete on the highest levels of football and basketball. With the right leadership, WF can be in that mix.
 
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It's not "chicken little", as much as you might like to use that meme. It's about the real world ramifications of being a long-term subcompetitive institution in revenue sports. If most of the big powers in the ACC felt it was imperative to jettison WF in order to strengthen the conference in whatever way they deemed most effective, no conference "rules" would stop the process. A way would be found to accomplish what needed to happen. It's ignorant to believe otherwise, no matter how much you want it to be true. Suck at your peril in the present environment.
 
TheReff said:
So that is how SMU, Houston & little ole Rice got dropped a few years ago by the Big 8 going to the Big 12? Remember they were once all from Texas plus Arkansas and added Missouri, Kansas, K State, OK, OK St & Iowa St while dropping a few in their reorganization. What's the diff?
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The SWC basically ceased to exist and 4 schools from that conference merged with the existing Big 8 to form the Big 12. For the ACC to cease existing, some big name schools would have to depart and leave schools like Wake, GT, VT, and UVA with their dinguses flopping in the wind.
 
EatLeadCommie said:
The SWC basically ceased to exist and 4 schools from that conference merged with the existing Big 8 to form the Big 12. For the ACC to cease existing, some big name schools would have to depart and leave schools like Wake, GT, VT, and UVA with their dinguses flopping in the wind.
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Its a little like what happened to the Big East when several schools left the Big East and joined the ACC. The other remaining "Big East" football schools had to find new conferences, while the basketball schools kept the Big East name.

When conferences break up, some teams may get left out. Only if the ACC breaks up will Wake be in that kind of difficulty. Also, remember that there are shared academic programs between various members of the ACC, Wake included. That also helps strengthen Wake's ties to the conference.
 
Shared academic ties will mean jack if the money is right.
 
Either the ACC will continue to exist as it is or some schools will leave and Wake will find itself in an ACC that it will be more competitive in.
 
That will be the spin if we are left out of the power conferences.
 
It's possible for the right teams to leave the ACC.
 
PhDeac said:
It's possible for the right teams to leave the ACC.
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If that happens, it doesn't matter how competitive Wake's teams are.

No other power conference will ever invite Wake due to our size. The ACC will never kick Wake out and our administration will never be stupid enough to voluntarily leave on our own a la Tulane. If the ACC ceases to be a power conference then c'est la vie. The ACC brand will be too valuable to abandon just as the Big East brand was. So Wake will remain in the ACC and if necessary invite some teams to fill the holes.

Still not worth the hand wringing.
 
You can't be serious.
 
That Wake getting kicked out of the power conference structure and the ACC turning into an AAC wouldn't be worth the hand wringing.
 
PhDeac said:
That Wake getting kicked out of the power conference structure and the ACC turning into an AAC wouldn't be worth the hand wringing.
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There is absolutely nothing Wake can do to prevent that. So it's a pointless thing to worry about.
 
We can show up in the post-season to earn our place in the conference. Being present in bowl and NCAA tourney games brings the conference money regardless of how few fans we have. Win a lot of those and we have fans, too.
The big conferences will always want schools that bring in money.
 
Yep. Become an earner instead of a leech.
 
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