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Wake Forest vs. Florida State Game Thread

ChrisL68 said:
That's desperation time. We have a young team that gets out of sorts when the intensity gets ramped up. If we use the timeouts to stay in the game they are well spent. I would be quick to call a TO with this team if a potential run started. Manning's tactic hasn't been effective.

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one way to make your team gain experience is to make them learn to work together through that. Danny had no options to come off the bench. pumping them is only gonna do so much
 
You are missing the point of the game. We played FSU even for 3/4 of the game and then went away from the game plan and tried to be heroes! Wrong people taking the shots, throwing the ball away and generally playing like a bunch of kids on a playground. These guys are old enough to put on their big boy shorts and man up and win a game like this one. Stay within the game plan, work the ball around and don't fall in love with the 3 ball and crazy shots! Ought to be able to make a dunk shot. Pressure just got to them and they folded. Manning didn't help
 
CharlotteDeac1 said:
I wasn't necessarily referring to you specifically, just a general ideology that I've noticed with a lot of people.

We win: Manning is great! We're great! Everything's great!

We lose: Manning is the worst in game coach of all time! We suck!

Again, not specifically about you. Just in general.


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You probably should add something for 'we are good again' when we play well at some point in the game.
 
canadiandeac said:
Timeouts are most useful for end game fouling situations. wasting everything trying to pump up your team when, who even knows what type of relationship danny has with his players. I think he is trying to make his team respond in their own
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Well, some one should tell that to Pop, after watching the Spurs play for the last 20 years, the guy will call a TO in the 2nd possession of the game if he doesn't like what his multi-championship players are doing on the court. He calls TO's all the time when a team gets momentum.

Now, I'd expect professionals that have won a few 'ships to be able to work through it but their coach seems to think that a TO can change the momentum and refocus his team.

Maybe DM thinks there is no point as his team won't listen?
 
Deac83 said:
Well, some one should tell that to Pop, after watching the Spurs play for the last 20 years, the guy will call a TO in the 2nd possession of the game if he doesn't like what his multi-championship players are doing on the court. He calls TO's all the time when a team gets momentum.

Now, I'd expect professionals that have won a few 'ships to be able to work through it but their coach seems to think that a TO can change the momentum and refocus his team.

Maybe DM thinks there is no point as his team won't listen?
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or maybe younger men that need to learn lessons in a sport as a team on their own respond diferently then grown men who are being paid millions of dollars to do their job who lost focus would
 
canadiandeac said:
or maybe younger men that need to learn lessons in a sport as a team on their own respond diferently then grown men who are being paid millions of dollars to do their job who lost focus would
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Jeez, you might let a veteran team work through it, you don't with a team led by soph's and frosh that have never won an ACC road game.
 
Ayo said:
We climb in the rankings by outperforming expectations against bad teams in the OOC season, and then ACC play starts. Happens every year. I think we're a little better than a smidgen, but yeah, NCAAT talk seems silly.
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In 2014-15, we started the season 104 in KenPom, and started conference play at 123 en route to finishing 120.
In 2015-16, we started the season 59 in KenPom, and started conference play at 92 en route to finishing 118.
In 2016-17, we started the season 76 in Kepom, and started conference play at 42.
 
Deac83 said:
Jeez, you might let a veteran team work through it, you don't with a team led by soph's and frosh that have never won an ACC road game.
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I have already said danny is not free of blame. a time out would have been beneficial. I just dont understand how yall are trying to put this loss oh him. Its already obvious his plan is the reason we had a lead to begin with. He is learning as a coach and finally has tools that can compete with the mid level acc teams and likely beat a few on the road. but we are not a top 5 acc caliber team. its just a fact
 
Deac83 said:
Jeez, you might let a veteran team work through it, you don't with a team led by soph's and frosh that have never won an ACC road game.
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Our top 6 players have a combined 200 plus starts at Wake. They resemble 5 freshmen in November.
 
Can we all agree that a team takes on the mentality/personality of their HC. In the 2+ years Manning has been here I have observed 2 main traits
(1) he is very passive
- doesn't fight for his players when "phantom" fouls are called against them (I'm not saying that he always needs to get in a ref's face, but at least pull them aside and say something)
- doesn't call timeout when a team starts to go on a run against us
- we are not agressive on defense on either defending a player one on one (ie, see FSU, Hamilton always has his players play aggressive defense) or rebounding (ie, see Villanova, a much smaller team destroyed us on the boards)

(2) Doesn't know how to win a close game
- Remember all of those games we lost in conference play 2 years ago in the last minute
- During conference play he is 5-17 in games decided by 6 points or less, includes OT games. This doesn't include games like today, ones that were winnable, but had a late game meltdown that we were not able to overcome. I know his record in close games is better if you include non-conference games, but should we really be struggling to beat teams like UNC-G & Rutgers on the last possession?

Personally, I don't think he will ever stop being a passive coach. We are who we are. I am more worried about his ability to win close games. The latter is a direct result of coaching. Furthermore, at times he looks completely lost at times out there.
 
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MichDeac25 said:
You're clearly not watching the games.
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There have been games where Crawford has been a brilliant PG. And then there have been games, or at least parts of games, where he has been really bad, forcing up bad shots and making terrible turnovers. When the latter happens, we are probably going to lose. Especially since Wilbekin and Childress don't appear to be able to run the team for long stretches, especially in crunch time. We really need Crawford to be more consistent in his play. Tonight it seemed that Crawford, Childress, and Wilbekin all totally melted down when it mattered most.
 
canadiandeac said:
I have already said danny is not free of blame. a time out would have been beneficial. I just dont understand how yall are trying to put this loss oh him. Its already obvious his plan is the reason we had a lead to begin with. He is learning as a coach and finally has tools that can compete with the mid level acc teams and likely beat a few on the road. but we are not a top 5 acc caliber team. its just a fact
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The problem is Manning is continuing to make the same in game mistakes he did 2 seasons ago. I have not seen any growth in his in-game coaching abilities. If anyone has, then please let me know what they ate.
 
BudatWake said:
You are missing the point of the game. We played FSU even for 3/4 of the game and then went away from the game plan and tried to be heroes! Wrong people taking the shots, throwing the ball away and generally playing like a bunch of kids on a playground. These guys are old enough to put on their big boy shorts and man up and win a game like this one. Stay within the game plan, work the ball around and don't fall in love with the 3 ball and crazy shots! Ought to be able to make a dunk shot. Pressure just got to them and they folded. Manning didn't help
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No, their run was created by them finally playing with a brain. As a couple of us said before the game, we have no one to cover Bacon, Isaac or Mayes. Then add, that JC got some awful calls and didn't get to play. Once F$U started using their wings to drive, it was all over.
 
BamaDeac said:
The problem is Manning is continuing to make the same in game mistakes he did 2 seasons ago. I have not seen any growth in his in-game coaching abilities. If anyone has, then please let me know what they ate.
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If F$U only had Bacon, you might have a point. But they had three guys we don't have players to cover. In the first half, F$U played like a bunch of lucky idiots and took 19 threes. This kept us in the game and ahead. When they played with some sense, they won.
 
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