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John Collins is #2 in KP's All-ACC Ratings

demondeacfreak said:
Collins' PER last year was 21.8, which is pretty decent, and was the 2nd best PER on the team behind Devin Thomas (23.8). Collins' conference numbers declined a little bit to 18.3, which was 2nd best on the team for players that logged more than 200 minutes (Moore had a PER in conference play of 34.1, but played just over half the minutes that Collins did). Collins also had the 2nd highest eFG% and TS% on the team after Moore. His win shares per 40 minutes was also the highest on the team; obviously his actual win shares were lower because he played fewer minutes due to not starting and have persistent foul trouble. In short, the advanced numbers showed the Collins was an effective and efficient player while he was on the floor.

In spite of playing more minutes, Collins' PER is substantially higher this year (34.5). Almost all of his advanced numbers have improved this year over last. I'm not any kind of expert to say whether his numbers from last year predicted an improvement of the kind we have seen this year, but my guess is that development of Collins' degree is pretty rare.
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You don't typically expect advanced stats to get better with more minutes, because advanced stats tend to measure or at least account in some way for efficiency, and efficiency tends to go down with minutes. Still, there is something predictive in advanced stats over counting stats in that if you're an efficient and effective player, your counting stats will likely improve if your minutes increase.

The annoying thing about these arguments is that rj and the dorks basically argue the same thing, which is that context-less stats are not very useful. The dorks just have to use a lot of words to get to the same nuance and caveats that rj has with THIS IS MEANINGLESS.
 
where did his 7.3 ppg, 3.9 rpg, .2 apg, 1 topg rate for predicted breakout?
 
Doggus said:
This can't be true. What if it's a shot 3 feet in front of half court? 8 feet? 15 feet? How about a half court shot with 2 seconds still on the clock?
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If only we had a scorekeeper around to confirm my recollection (or correct me). I believe the call is discretionary.
 
Not finding much, but this blog post from Daily Thunder (an ESPN TrueHoop affiliate?) claims while they do count as attempts in the NBA, some may not be counted in college (at the scorekeeper's discretion).
 
Interesting. I would not have though his PER was that close to Devin's last year. I stand corrected on the potential value of PER but still believe it's specificity is probably low.
 
SpringChicken said:
Not finding much, but this blog post from Daily Thunder (an ESPN TrueHoop affiliate?) claims while they do count as attempts in the NBA, some may not be counted in college (at the scorekeeper's discretion).
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I love watching guys in the NBA delay their end of quarter/half shots a split second so that it doesn't count. A few weeks ago I think it was Deron Williams that saw there was more time left on the clock than he thought and actually traveled to avoid shooting before the buzzer went off (but made sure to release right after!)
 
timdunkandthefunk said:
I love watching guys in the NBA delay their end of quarter/half shots a split second so that it doesn't count. A few weeks ago I think it was Deron Williams that saw there was more time left on the clock than he thought and actually traveled to avoid shooting before the buzzer went off (but made sure to release right after!)
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Well, except for Steph Curry who made 51% of his shots between 28 feet and the half court line last season. Yep, you read that right.
 
also, i would expect a player's per in college to rise pretty steadily from year to year. this isnt the nba where you dont play because you arent as good. a lot of guys dont play because they arent ready. also, a lot of per leaves the league eevry year, so someone has to fill it. if you are a frosh that is getting burn and putting up good per numbers, i'd say it's a pretty fair assumption you see a pretty big uptick the next year (assuming you dont jump). further i'd posit that you see a smaller jump each subsequent year.
 
I always thought it was up to the scorekeeper in college to determine if it was a FGA or not when talking about "heaves". I see Collins only credited 3 pt attempt was at the buzzer @ Xavier. I have zero recollection if it was a heave or if he took a real 3 being Wake was down 4 & had no impact on the game.
 
Too many bigs?

Going roster by roster, it becomes apparent that very few NBA teams are in need of adding more size. There are currently 77 players 6-foot-9 or taller playing 15 minutes or fewer per game. In other words, every NBA team has an average of 2½ big men who don’t play a major role.

It’s no secret that the NBA game is going smaller. Two point-guard lineups are in vogue. Wing prospects are scarce. Combo forwards are coveted commodities. Coaches are trying to get as many shooters on the court as possible. Are more big men really what the NBA is looking for?

Things really don’t add up when you look at the makeup of the players ranked outside of the elite tier. Out of the 29 players ranked in the Nos. 12-40 range of the Top 100, 21 can be classified as power forwards or centers. With only 19 spots in the first round after the top 11 prospects, it’s likely that at least half of those 21 will either have to go back to school or risk being drafted in the second round. There simply isn’t that great of a demand for big men, unless they are capable of spacing the floor from the 3-point line

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/news/elite-coming-into-focus-for-2017-nba-draft-002306555.html
 
too many bigs, not enough demand. can't risk it. we're going to be so good with JC coming back and Chaundeac!
 
So according to that article, the average NBA bench has 3-4 bigs and 1 plays over 15 min/game. Sounds completely normal.
 
The refs/scorer's discretion aspect is likely the truth. Probably the refs waived off the shot and the broadcast didn't show their gesture or the scorer never recorded it due to error or assumption it was late. And since it was missed, no one bothered to check it (if the shot was during regulation).
 
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