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Danny Manning Credibility Watch

I would love to see a study that correlates emotion of a coach to frequency of foul calls. Would be hard to quantify or isolate.
 
tigerswood said:
Clearly you missed the words "impossible to quantify" and "maybe" in my statement. Reading comprehension is challenging, I know.

Would you not prefer more emotion? Do you think it impossible that a coach's emotion can have a positive effect on his team and the referees? I've seen it happen dozens, if not hundreds of times, in different sports. Hell, it's even been obvious with DC and our football team a time or two.
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It goes both ways. Coaches like Buddy Ryan or Bob Huggins or Frank Martin who yell and scream at everyone tend to have teams that are undisciplined and routinely pick up ridiculous fouls/penalties. Sometimes it works and sometimes it blows up in your face.
 
2&2 Slider To Leyritz said:
It goes both ways. Coaches like Buddy Ryan or Bob Huggins or Frank Martin who yell and scream at everyone tend to have teams that are undisciplined and routinely pick up ridiculous fouls/penalties. Sometimes it works and sometimes it blows up in your face.
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While I may not disagree with your overall point, Huggins and Martin are known for forcing turnovers and playing "in your face" defense. That's always going to lead to more fouls than a team that just sits back and plays lackadaisical or zone D.
 
Danny's on cruise control. Nothing shakes him up. Though I do think I remember seeing him roll his eyes once recently.
 
With the key players he has had these first three years, Danny has had to be in "full control" mode. Could you imagine what would happen if Manning was a screamer with Devin? Crawford and Collins also seem to wear their emotions on their sleeves a lot. Woods went off last night, for something that wasn't evident on replay. Keeping these guys under control by example may be where Maning is at the moment.
 
Manning may be playing a long game on the emotional side of things. If a coach goes off about every little thing, the outbursts eventually lose their impact (with a few exceptions). Thus, if Manning has a reputation as a guy who doesn't get upset and scream and yell about everything, when he does launch a tirade, it will have more impact.
 
Deaconblue said:
Manning may be playing a long game on the emotional side of things. If a coach goes off about every little thing, the outbursts eventually lose their impact (with a few exceptions). Thus, if Manning has a reputation as a guy who doesn't get upset and scream and yell about everything, when he does launch a tirade, it will have more impact.
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I agree with this theory but there have been plenty of opportunities this year for the release of that impending tirade. I don't think you have to wait years to release it in order to maintain credibility. It may be subconscious but the officials know which coaches are going to flip their lid when they get screwed so they are more careful to avoid upsetting them. They must be very comfortable that Manning is not going to make them look bad.
 
scooter84 said:
I agree with this theory but there have been plenty of opportunities this year for the release of that impending tirade. I don't think you have to wait years to release it in order to maintain credibility. It may be subconscious but the officials know which coaches are going to flip their lid when they get screwed so they are more careful to avoid upsetting them. They must be very comfortable that Manning is not going to make them look bad.
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Wake hasn't played a truly meaningful game in Manning's tenure at Wake. Winning a regular season game without a tournament bid obviously on the line is not that meaningful in the long game.
 
Deaconblue said:
Wake hasn't played a truly meaningful game in Manning's tenure at Wake. Winning a regular season game without a tournament bid obviously on the line is not that meaningful in the long game.
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You don't think the Duke game was meaningful? A game against an in-state and in-conference rival which is highly ranked and of national prominence? A close game where we had the lead the whole game? A game that would have moved us to the good side of the bubble by a good bit? We need a victory against a highly-regarded team in the worst way...
 
Deaconblue said:
Manning may be playing a long game on the emotional side of things. If a coach goes off about every little thing, the outbursts eventually lose their impact (with a few exceptions). Thus, if Manning has a reputation as a guy who doesn't get upset and scream and yell about everything, when he does launch a tirade, it will have more impact.
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scooter84 said:
I agree with this theory but there have been plenty of opportunities this year for the release of that impending tirade. I don't think you have to wait years to release it in order to maintain credibility. It may be subconscious but the officials know which coaches are going to flip their lid when they get screwed so they are more careful to avoid upsetting them. They must be very comfortable that Manning is not going to make them look bad.
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Good Lord, people.
 
win and your demeanor does not matter. lose and it does. pretty simple. there are plenty of examples of both types of coaches winning games.
 
The difference between winning and losing in the ACC (and really life) is about controlling all of the minor little details you can control. Manning does not do that as an in-game coach. He doesn't work the refs effectively to get those difference-maker calls in a game. He doesn't effectively use timeouts to stop a run or get a young team under control. He doesn't draw up successful end of game plays. See Duke game last possessions of Wake v. Duke. I like Danny. He has upgraded recruiting. But to take the next step, he has to be a better in-game coach controlling all of the difference-making details.
 
I hear Danny really lights into them into them in the locker room from time to time. Seems he just likes to limit that stuff to behind the scenes.
 
Our fan base is in love with emotional coaches. Like it takes the place of winning.
 
macktheknife said:
Our fan base is in love with emotional coaches. Like it takes the place of winning.
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It's like NCSU fans pining for a defensive minded coach. [Redacted] was mild mannered and deeply unsuccessful so now we want the opposite.

If Danny continues on trend, people will be just fine with his demeanor.
 
macktheknife said:
Our fan base is in love with emotional coaches. Like it takes the place of winning.
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That goes back to Carl Tacy. He was doing a magnificent job as a laid-back coach, but the fans saw success from volatile coaches like Valvano at NC State & Cremins at Georgia Tech and didn't appreciate what Carl was doing....under nearly impossible circumstances.
 
All this talk about emotional coaches reminded me of one of my favorite things about Skip: every once in a while, he'd get so goddamn frustrated, he'd jam his hands in his pockets and kick the scorer's table. Sometimes the kick would result in a cup of water falling off the table.

Carry on.
 
macktheknife said:
Our fan base is in love with emotional coaches. Like it takes the place of winning.
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I think charisma is a better word for it than emotion. Skip had charisma, and even Odom to a lesser extent. Clawson has it. Maybe Grobe had it initially, but grew way too complacent and lost it. Bz obviously not. Manning doesn't seem to have it.

Fans like to see that a coach cares and is very engaged/invested in the game. Obviously Manning does and is, but it's certainly hard to tell most of the time.
 
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