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BBall Recruiting Thread 2k18 - Hoard, Mucius, Lewis, and Wright sign NLIs!

RJKarl said:
Saying "a few weeks" gives him cover for the 10-14 days. If he said "after my visits", he'd be swamped.
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"A few weeks" could easily stretch into mid March.

Didn't realize that UCF had hired Johnny Dawkins as their head BB coach. I'm sure he played the Duke/K connection card for all its worth.
 
Dawkins may be the one man most responsible for us falling short this year. He convinced his second leading scorer (15.5 ppg) to stay at UCF instead of grad transferring to Wake.
 
i forgot about matt williams. shit, what seemed like a molehill at the time turned out to be a mountain based on what this team ended up being.
 
Matt Williams is taking 10 threes a game. He doesn't play D and is shooting worse from downtown than either Arians or Woods. Whose minutes would you like him to take?
 
More than his scoring - the fact that he is 6'5" would have been a big benefit.
 
RJKarl said:
Matt Williams is taking 10 threes a game. He doesn't play D and is shooting worse from downtown than either Arians or Woods. Whose minutes would you like him to take?
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you watching ucf games to know how his d is? bc metrics in a box score ain't gonna tell you. you complain every game about not enough wing bodies. he's a big wing that can at least hold his own shooting 3s and cannot be worse than wilbekin or van horn as an option to guard all the acc wings.

he could have filled a huge hole as a bench wing. or maybe he starts over arians and arians is our bench wing. either way our team is substantially better.
 
Fuck Your Couch said:
you watching ucf games to know how his d is? bc metrics in a box score ain't gonna tell you. you complain every game about not enough wing bodies. he's a big wing that can at least hold his own shooting 3s and cannot be worse than wilbekin or van horn as an option to guard all the acc wings.

he could have filled a huge hole as a bench wing. or maybe he starts over arians and arians is our bench wing. either way our team is substantially better.
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I've seen them play 2-3 times. He plays little to no D which is what we need the body for. All he does is gun. That's his entire game.

It's silly to bring up TVH as he has played in less than half or games and averages 2.4 mpg.

He shoots worse than any of our SGs/SFs. Or don't numbers count if you don't want them to? We don't need two Arians. We need someone who can and does play D.

We don't need any help scoring and his numbers were in a bad conference.

Is he better than Wilbekin? Maybe, but Wilbekin would have gotten minutes.

Would he have helped us on D? Not from what I've seen.
 
If all he's doing is gunning then he'd shoot a better percentage here. All Arians does is shoot catch and shoot open 3s, his percentage had never been as high before. i havent seen williams play, but i find it hard to believe he'd be a worse defender.

anyway there would have been zero downside. it really sucks he changed his mind.
 
Fuck Your Couch said:
If all he's doing is gunning then he'd shoot a better percentage here. All Arians does is shoot catch and shoot open 3s, his percentage had never been as high before. i havent seen williams play, but i find it hard to believe he'd be a worse defender.

anyway there would have been zero downside. it really sucks he changed his mind.
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Arians is shooting better inside and outside the arc as well as at the FT line. And Arians is playing is playing against much, much, much better comp.

You haven't seen him play, refuse to look at the stats, yet you seem so sure.

We needed an athletic 6'5+ guy to play D. He is 6'5, but hasn't shown any interest in D.

Would he have been happy playing 15-20 mpg versus 36 mpg? This is apparently one of the reasons he didn't honor his commitment to Wake.

How do we know a guy who is only a gunner would have fit in with this team? He might have.
 
Maybe on a good team he would play D. Arians tries but he can't play D. Wilbekin is way too small. How could it be bad to have Williams? If he was gunning DM would sit his ass down and we'd be the exact same team unless you don't think he has that judgment?
 
i can't believe i'm actually discussing whether it would be beneficial to this team to have a 23 year old 6-5/220 wing that averages 16ppg and shoots 38% from 3 whose scholly is currently being used by Trent Van Horn.
 
TVH played against Duke due to an injury. No other reason. TVH was DNP in 8 of our previous 12 games and played a TOTAL of FIVE minutes in 3 of the 4 games he did play.

It's not about replacing TVH. It's about taking minutes from the guys who actually play.

He doesn't play D in the AAC. Now, think about the fact, he'd be covering Bacon, Tatum, Jackson, Vasturia, Rowan and others versus the greatly inferior players in his current league.

He chose to play somewhere that he would be the go to guy and play 35+mpg. He would be neither at Wake. He would have been, at best our fourth option. Do you think he would have been happy in that position?

Do you think PT and usage were the reasons he didn't come to Wake?
 
he originally chose to come to wake as a role player, over offers from other P5 schools like miami off the top of my head. then dawkins came in as a new coach and convinced him to stay and he's had the best year of his career.

Danny wanted him. Other good schools wanted him. the new coach convinced him to stay. he has decent numbers. why the fuck is this a discussion>
 
Of course we wanted him, we had no idea how well we'd play this year and how we'd shoot. We had no shooters other than Bryant and Keyshawn. But Williams didn't want to be a role player at Wake after Dawkins showed how he'd be used at UCF.
 
So the fact that we're better than basically anyone expected and that he could have been the slight difference between bubble and solidly in means we should have wanted him less... got it man.

i mean it's not like we've been in a lot of close games this year.
 
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Fuck Your Couch said:
So the fact that we're better than basically anyone expected and that he could have been the slight difference between bubble and solidly in means we should have wanted him less... got it man.

i mean it's not like we've been in a lot of close games this year.
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Do you enjoy banging your head against a wall?
 
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RJKarl said:
Matt Williams is taking 10 threes a game. He doesn't play D and is shooting worse from downtown than either Arians or Woods. Whose minutes would you like him to take?
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I was going to ask, but can he play D? That is what held us back this year.
 
Fuck Your Couch said:
So the fact that we're better than basically anyone expected and that he could have been the slight difference between bubble and solidly in means we should have wanted him less... got it man.

i mean it's not like we've been in a lot of close games this year.
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The reason we have lost those games is not offense. We lost because of defense. Against inferior players, his defense was bad. What makes that worse is that when you have a shotblocker and shot-alterer like Tacko Fall, you can play much tougher initial D than if you didn't have a guy like that to erase your mistakes making your defense better.

On offense, he'd have to shoot better, against much, much, much better comp and in far fewer tries just to be equal to the players we have.

Add to this, he be playing dramatically fewer minutes and be, at best, the fourth option on offense. Would be as happy and into the game? This is important as he clearly chose the opportunity to The Man over part of a team in a better conference.

All those factors make having him a real question mark. With a definite possibility that he'd be an unhappy player.

If he had been an LD Williams-lite, I'd be agreeing with you 10,000%.
 
Buttermaker said:
I was going to ask, but can he play D? That is what held us back this year.
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I agree 100% that we lost on D not O. He showed little to no interest in playing D.

As I said above, he had a huge advantage by having Tacko behind him. This would help him on both ends of the court. On defense, Tacko would erase a lot of his mistakes. Plus, if lost his man, he'd have a clear path as they turned defense into offense which should also inflate his offensive numbers by getting free shots in transition.
 
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