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2017 College Football Coaching Carousel

2017 College Football Coaching Carousel - Tennessee Train Wreck

Paying people to do a job isn't rocket science.

Universities already pay students to work for the school.

People are making this more complicated than it needs to be to support the current system.

One would think there would growing support for paying players given the NCAA ruling on UNC. You can't argue that athletes get a good education when institutions aren't required to provide one.
 
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JuiceCrewAllStar said:
Too many problems with paying college football players. The only real solution is to separate sports from academics at the minor league level.
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I obviously love college athletics, but I think this is probably the inevitable result.
 
PhDeac said:
Paying people to do a job isn't rocket science.

Universities already pay students to work for the school.

People are making this more complicated than it needs to be to support the current system.

One would thing there would growing support given the NCAA ruling on UNC. You can't argue that athletes get a good education when institutions aren't required to provide one.
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Can you outline your apparel proposal?
 
PhDeac said:
But they don't have to.
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I'm still not following your argument.

Being a collegiate student athlete is not a job. It certainly takes a lot of time, but it isn't employment. Being a college athlete on scholarship is a highly, highly desired position. So much so that some students pay full tuition, walk-on to teams, and never play, just so they can be part of a collegiate team. Coaches being paid well isn't an argument to pay players, because, again, being a college athlete is not a job. Professors are paid well and some administrators are paid very well, whereas non-scholarship students have to pay to attend school. Does this discrepancy mean that non-scholarship students should be paid to attend school so they are compensated in a similar fashion to their professors and administrators?

Everyone makes the choice whether or not they want to try to attend college. Basketball and football players should be able to choose if they want to attend college or try to go pro. Tennis actually handles this pretty well. Top players can turn pro whenever they want or they can go to college - they have to make a decision based on their talent, financial situation, etc. The rules are a bit looser, so they can be sponsored and get gear, and they can even take a small amount of prize money for travel even though they enter college. For many the smart choice is college, both from a financial and future employment standpoint.
 
JuiceCrewAllStar said:
Too many problems with paying college football players. The only real solution is to separate sports from academics at the minor league level.
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I don't see this happening. A well supported minor league system could be developed for basketball and football, but schools would still want to have collegiate athletics so college basketball and football would still exist. And the college sports would be much more popular than the minor league sports, even if the talent level wasn't as high, so they would have better TV contracts, make more money, etc. In the US (and really throughout the world), people love seeing their schools compete, and I just don't see that going anywhere.
 
being a collegiate student athlete is absolutely a job
 
Rafi said:
I'm still not following your argument.

Being a collegiate student athlete is not a job. It certainly takes a lot of time, but it isn't employment. Being a college athlete on scholarship is a highly, highly desired position. So much so that some students pay full tuition, walk-on to teams, and never play, just so they can be part of a collegiate team. Coaches being paid well isn't an argument to pay players, because, again, being a college athlete is not a job. Professors are paid well and some administrators are paid very well, whereas non-scholarship students have to pay to attend school. Does this discrepancy mean that non-scholarship students should be paid to attend school so they are compensated in a similar fashion to their professors and administrators?

Everyone makes the choice whether or not they want to try to attend college. Basketball and football players should be able to choose if they want to attend college or try to go pro. Tennis actually handles this pretty well. Top players can turn pro whenever they want or they can go to college - they have to make a decision based on their talent, financial situation, etc. The rules are a bit looser, so they can be sponsored and get gear, and they can even take a small amount of prize money for travel even though they enter college. For many the smart choice is college, both from a financial and future employment standpoint.
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Many jobs and professions are popular. Many people are forced to take unpaid internships or low paying apprenticeships to break into a professional field. The popularity of a profession has no bearing on the employees deserving to be compensated. Currently, there is basically no other way for people to play football professionally without playing in college, so to pretend that college football players are simply volunteering is ridiculous.
 
myDeaconmyhand said:
Currently, there is basically no other way for people to play football professionally without playing in college, so to pretend that college football players are simply volunteering is ridiculous.
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That's my point. Build up a minor league system for football so athletes have another option. Buff up the minor league system for basketball. I'd like to see both done, though even if they are done I think that college sports will remain way more popular than either minor league.
 
Just open it up and let the market sort it out.
 
Rafi said:
No it's not. Is being a high school athlete a job? Is being in the band a job?
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High School athletics are an elective. You can still receive a free education without playing sports. Scholarship collegiate athletes must do something to get something. They are compensated for the participation, just as my employer compensates me for my participation.
 
WakeFanAdam said:
High School athletics are an elective. You can still receive a free education without playing sports. Scholarship collegiate athletes must do something to get something. They are compensated for the participation, just as my employer compensates me for my participation.
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Do you consider academic scholarships to be a job? You have to do something to get something.
 
Simply repeating over and over that a scholarship is payment, is not a rebuttal. No one is denying that - the debate is to the fairness or morality of a billion dollar college athletics industry built on the labor of college students who receive no share of that profit. The fact is that college athletics and the NFL have monopolized the sport in a way that prevents anyone from becoming a professional NFL player without first playing for 3 financially uncompensated years.
 
I wonder if there has been any studies done of how college athletic compensation would affect the MLB draft and minor league baseball system.
 
WakeForestRanger said:
The Wake band got paid a stipend to play. Seems like it $1250 per member at one point.
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Did they get scholarships? Room and board? I think the answer is no, though I don't know for sure. Do they get some academic credit?
 
There's probably a music scholarship or two, but I don't think they were required to march. No room and board help beyond some money for meals and paying for hotels for a road game or two. Marching band was worth one academic credit hour so marching for four years was equlivant to taking one regular class.
 
Here’s the thing, eventually college athletes will be paid. That’s the way the wind is blowing. The NCAA could have gotten ahead of the situation with small GA stipends, but will weep and gnash their teeth, and be forced into a truly market based solution that will cost much more.
 
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