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Conference Expansion: Stanford, California and SMU Join the ACC

CaptRenault said:
Maybe we should call the schools not mentioned in the article "The Excluded 8".

After the next round of conference realignment, those 8 schools could add OR State and WA State to the group and form a new conference called the Excluded 10 Conference or EX10, for short.
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How about "The Great 8!"

Screw the traitors.
 
2&2 Slider To Leyritz said:
It really is impressive work how Wellman, Currie, Hatch, and Wente have set us up to be, without a doubt, the biggest loser in all of this forthcoming realignment. Our administration has been fully incompetent in addressing what is obviously coming. And our enabling, dipshit alumni base has gone right along with it with our head-in-the-sand, condescending attitude and complete lack of urgency. We'll be fine, the ACC will be fine, this is all smoke, nobody is going anywhere, FSU dumbasses, Clemson rednecks. Well guess what? We have nothing, absolutely nothing, to bring to the table when this all falls apart. Twenty years ago, we could point to basketball. Now, we give everyone years and years and years to not win while making excuses for their failures. We're about to get bent over and a no-lube broomstick shoved up our ass. We have mediocre football that brings no viewers, a horrendous basketball program, and middling academics. We deserve the full exodus that we are about to receive. What a shitshow.
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Oh, my…
 
Keep this in mind. If the courts decide against the GOR and the ACC and allow Clemson. FSU and others to leave the conference for much less money than we presently believe, the binding document of the Big 12 is also at risk. Until the SEC and the B1G select the schools that get to enjoy the larger media contracts, not much can be decided. Those two conferences will have fewer members than the number of leftovers that remain. A combination of the ACC and Big 12 could form, add other schools and realign for mutual benefit.
 
Regardless of what happens, the ACC should remain intact in some form through the end of the media rights deal, no? Or if schools leave, does that void the deal with ESPN?
 
Speaking of ESPN, what do they gain from further realignment, particularly FSU and Clemson leaving the ACC, presumably to join either the SEC or B1G.

Currently ESPN gets games involving those two schools for ACC level cost for another decade. Why would they want to pay SEC costs for those games?
Why would ESPN give those teams and games to rival Fox/B1G Nerwork?
 
deacfan78 said:
Regardless of what happens, the ACC should remain intact in some form through the end of the media rights deal, no? Or if schools leave, does that void the deal with ESPN?
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2027-2036 are an option that ESPN can pick up - most people think the only reason ESPN wouldn't pick up that options is if the value of the conference greatly decreases (ie. big money schools leave) or if the value of Disney/ABC/ESPN craters even worse that it currently is.
 
Deaconblue said:
Speaking of ESPN, what do they gain from further realignment, particularly FSU and Clemson leaving the ACC, presumably to join either the SEC or B1G.

Currently ESPN gets games involving those two schools for ACC level cost for another decade. Why would they want to pay SEC costs for those games?
Why would ESPN give those teams and games to rival Fox/B1G Nerwork?
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the argument is that FSU/Clemson will have more games against higher profile teams which will mean higher ratings and higher ad sales. and then ESPN could get out of the ACC contract and not be paying for games featuring Wake, Duke, BC, Syracuse, etc.
 
BeachBumDeac said:
the argument is that FSU/Clemson will have more games against higher profile teams which will mean higher ratings and higher ad sales. and then ESPN could get out of the ACC contract and not be paying for games featuring Wake, Duke, BC, Syracuse, etc.
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Which explains why ESPN pundits are shitting on the ACC as a whole. Seems criminal.
 
BeachBumDeac said:
the argument is that FSU/Clemson will have more games against higher profile teams which will mean higher ratings and higher ad sales. and then ESPN could get out of the ACC contract and not be paying for games featuring Wake, Duke, BC, Syracuse, etc.
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Exactly - moving FSU and Clemson to the SEC would cost ESPN $100M a year while the ACC cost ESPN in the range of $600M last year.
 
If the ACC had a set of nuts, they would sue Big Ten/SEC in an anti trust lawsuit. IMO these conferences believe the Alston case against the NCAA has shielded them from antitrust scrutiny. Further I believe minimal discovery would show massive tampering among member schools of other conferences and antitrust against television networks. It's one huge scheme to steal what they didn't build on their own. You can get punked like Phillips will do or you can launch a nuclear option into the entire shit pile of current college athletics.

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macktheknife said:
If the ACC had a set of nuts, they would sue Big Ten/SEC in an anti trust lawsuit. IMO these conferences believe the Alston case against the NCAA has shielded them from antitrust scrutiny. Further I believe minimal discovery would show massive tampering among member schools of other conferences and antitrust against television networks. It's one huge scheme to steal what they didn't build on their own. You can get punked like Phillips will do or you can launch a nuclear option into the entire shit pile of current college athletics.

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macktheknife said:
If the ACC had a set of nuts, they would sue Big Ten/SEC in an anti trust lawsuit. IMO these conferences believe the Alston case against the NCAA has shielded them from antitrust scrutiny. Further I believe minimal discovery would show massive tampering among member schools of other conferences and antitrust against television networks. It's one huge scheme to steal what they didn't build on their own. You can get punked like Phillips will do or you can launch a nuclear option into the entire shit pile of current college athletics.

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How can you win an antitrust lawsuit when there are several options for schools to go to? The Big Ten and SEC are inherently competitive with one another, let alone all the other conferences.
 
is trading clemson for stanford really a bad deal?

hell - i'd trade Cal for Louisville as well!
 
MichDeac25 said:
How can you win an antitrust lawsuit when there are several options for schools to go to? The Big Ten and SEC are inherently competitive with one another, let alone all the other conferences.
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If you believe the SEC and Big 10 have not colluded I can't help you. They just rigged the playoff money and participation.

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People wonder why Clemson now. They not as stupid as FSU. They waited on a guarantee of a new home. They got it because the two power crooks have not finished yet.

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macktheknife said:
People wonder why Clemson now. They not as stupid as FSU. They waited on a guarantee of a new home. They got it because the two power crooks have not finished yet.

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Where is the evidence we should concede that point?
 
deacfan78 said:
Regardless of what happens, the ACC should remain intact in some form through the end of the media rights deal, no? Or if schools leave, does that void the deal with ESPN?
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I'm at the point where nothing would surprise me. We thought we had an iron clad GOR to keep the conference together, but now we are losing members.

I'd be stunned if ESPN doesn't have an exit here.

Whatever remains will be the ACC in name only.

Imagine being in school in the late 90s and someone tells you that the ACC has more than 9 members and none of them are FSU, Clemson or UNC?
 
Liquid Karma said:
I'm at the point where nothing would surprise me. We thought we had an iron clad GOR to keep the conference together, but now we are losing members.

I'd be stunned if ESPN doesn't have an exit here.

Whatever remains will be the ACC in name only.

Imagine being in school in the late 90s and someone tells you that the ACC has more than 9 members and none of them are FSU, Clemson or UNC?
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What members have we lost?
 
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