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Now that the Season is Over - From a Long-Time Supporter

TBR said:
Here's what I found (Goodman was the first one to break it IIRC, but I don't care enough to find it):

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/basket...-Forest-would-be-a-perplexin?urn=ncaab,233322
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https://twitter.com/#!/goodmanonfox/status/11900744802

bzzkilled.jpg
 
deacvision7 said:
"Someone said to me the other day, 'This seems to be your mission in life, Jeff,'" [Redacted] said. "I inherit jobs no one else wants and then just when things get going, like a fool, I leave before it all starts to happen. It's like building the house and never getting to live in it.''



QUICK! Somebody tell [Redacted] that things are just about to get going here at Wake Forest. He'll fuck right off if we do that.
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He actually said that shit???!!!!????

Wake Forest was a job nobody wanted and he's doing us some kind of giant fucking favor?

The more I learn about this guy the less I like him.
 
DirkTheDeac said:
He actually said that shit???!!!!????

Wake Forest was a job nobody wanted and he's doing us some kind of giant fucking favor?

The more I learn about this guy the less I like him.
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August 31, 2010
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/columns/story?columnist=oneil_dana&id=5512936

Then Dana O'Neil, the columnist, immediately followed that quote with:

Wake can hardly be classified as a crummy job no one wanted and [Redacted] is well aware of that. The Demon Deacons have a history of winning and more, an expectation of success. They have good facilities, a strong recruiting base and most of all, a fervent fan base.
his will be easily the best job [Redacted] has had in his 25-year career.
Technically it ought to be a mulligan season, what with Wake down four starters now that Al-Farouq Aminu has taken his talents to the NBA.

But there will be no mulligan for [Redacted]. Fairly or unfairly, his wins and losses will be measured through the viewfinder of Gaudio's record.

Especially since Gaudio didn't exactly leave the cupboard bare.

What the Demon Deacons lack in experience, they'll make up for in talent. Before he was let go, Gaudio landed a recruiting class ranked as the 12th best in the country by ESPN.com. The six-man crew offers talent at every position.

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Wellman has promised patience -- a strange offer since it seemingly wasn't a commodity afforded Gaudio -- but also knows that his reputation, like [Redacted]'s, will be judged by Wake's record .
He made the unconventional decision to fire Gaudio and the equally stunning choice to hire [Redacted].

"Every hire we make needs to work, but I'm sure this is heightened more because of the decision, the status of the program as the decision was made,'' Wellman admitted. "There were a lot of questions and I understand that. We had [20 wins] last year, and when you make a change with results like that, there are naturally going to be questions.''

Namely, was Wellman's thinking a fool's folly or pure genius?
 
deacvision7 said:
August 31, 2010
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/columns/story?columnist=oneil_dana&id=5512936

Then Dana O'Neil, the columnist, immediately followed that quote with:

Wake can hardly be classified as a crummy job no one wanted and [Redacted] is well aware of that. The Demon Deacons have a history of winning and more, an expectation of success. They have good facilities, a strong recruiting base and most of all, a fervent fan base.
his will be easily the best job [Redacted] has had in his 25-year career.
Technically it ought to be a mulligan season, what with Wake down four starters now that Al-Farouq Aminu has taken his talents to the NBA.

But there will be no mulligan for [Redacted]. Fairly or unfairly, his wins and losses will be measured through the viewfinder of Gaudio's record.

Especially since Gaudio didn't exactly leave the cupboard bare.

What the Demon Deacons lack in experience, they'll make up for in talent. Before he was let go, Gaudio landed a recruiting class ranked as the 12th best in the country by ESPN.com. The six-man crew offers talent at every position.

<snip>

Wellman has promised patience -- a strange offer since it seemingly wasn't a commodity afforded Gaudio -- but also knows that his reputation, like [Redacted]'s, will be judged by Wake's record .
He made the unconventional decision to fire Gaudio and the equally stunning choice to hire [Redacted].

"Every hire we make needs to work, but I'm sure this is heightened more because of the decision, the status of the program as the decision was made,'' Wellman admitted. "There were a lot of questions and I understand that. We had [20 wins] last year, and when you make a change with results like that, there are naturally going to be questions.''

Namely, was Wellman's thinking a fool's folly or pure genius?
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Gaudio's heralded class was mostly a bust
 
Well said, except you have the reason for firing Dino backwards. Dino was fired because of RW's saw what was going on in the program and he wanted the culture to change. Dino's record in March was the public reason for the firing.

I am friends with the family of an incoming freshman the year that Dino got fired (Buzz's first class). The day Dino was fired, I was told - RW called Dino in and said no more one-and-done guys majoring in pre-NBA. I want a team full of kids that will stay for 4 years and graduate and be quality representatives of WFU while they are here (Like what Grobe does in WF football). Dino said the same thing I heard Skip say multiple times - the teams that win in the ACC are the teams with the most future NBA players. RW insisted on a team full of 5 star heart guys, Dino stood his ground and RW fired him. (Btw - I posted this back on the old board contemporaneously.)

While I don’t necessarily support it, I can understand RW’s position (and Dino’s too for that matter). The culture change stuff also fits in with RW’s past (e.g. playing the other team’s fight song) and the off the court issues we have seen from the team since Dino left. What I don’t understand in the Buzz hire.

For the record - I was suspicious when the hiring was announced, because I didn’t see how his resume warranted him becoming the first choice to lead a team that was #1 in the country 15 months earlier. I became firmly in the Buzz out camp middle of last year’s season, when he kept talking about his past accomplishments, threw the players under the bus and took a shot at the fans with the – ‘only people who have a problem with what is going on around here and people who have never been successful at anything in their life, because successful people know it takes time to build a winner’ – comment.
 
Excellent post, Deke 73 and thanks for the taking the time to do so. It's now time for a "culture change" at the top of our athletic program too! President Hatch - your move......
 
I get those redneck schools mixed up all the damn time!
 
This is awesome. The OP called Buzz an "unaccomplished dullard". Perfect.
 
RacerDeac said:
Agreed. He's been completely out of touch whether it was a prepared post-game statement or quick interview with Dan. I think it's silly to suggest Wellman was caught off guard by Dan and just didn't have the right words to say. The man has had a consistent message of support from the start (even if his excuses and explanation for the hire have changed constantly). I have a hard time believing Dan just walked into Wellman's office and caught Wellman with his pants down. It's not as if he hasn't been thinking about what he should say to the press if questioned. You tend to think about that stuff when your most recent hire is so epically bad. His quotes sound so bad because he's trying to excuse the inexcusable and explain the unexplainable...it has nothing to do with being caught off guard.
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Read like a phone interview to me.
 
Heck, Dino got 17 wins with 7-9 in the ACC, with Ish shooting 29% from the FT line after taking over from Skip. His only upperclassman was HH.
 
jaybone said:
Read like a phone interview to me.
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Ok, let me restate. I have a hard time believing that Wellman's secretary buzzed him and said "Dan's on the line, would you like to take the call or should I tell him you're on the throne?" and was caught with his pants down.
 
did i miss rj's post demanding that the OP respect the program and delete this?
 
In looking at the first round ACC Tournament box score against #8 seed Maryland, a game we had five days to prepare for, our starting point guard and starting center, both with two years of coaching and experience, combined for 65 minutes playing time and contributed a combined one rebound out of 63 total rebounds, and two points. [Redacted]'s first recruiting class of Fields, Green, and Fisher combined for 35 minutes and contributed 3 rebounds and 4 points. Any wonder we cannot compete against top 100 programs?
 
Deke 73 said:
In looking at the first round ACC Tournament box score against #8 seed Maryland, a game we had five days to prepare for, our starting point guard and starting center, both with two years of coaching and experience, combined for 65 minutes playing time and contributed a combined one rebound out of 63 total rebounds, and two points. [Redacted]'s first recruiting class of Fields, Green, and Fisher combined for 35 minutes and contributed 3 rebounds and 4 points. Any wonder we cannot compete against top 100 programs?
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That is depressing.
 
deacvision7 said:
Dino Gaudio was fired on the 7th of April.
The first reports of [Redacted] being the hire came out on the 11th, I believe.
[Redacted] officially signed on the 13th.


That must have been one hell of an exhaustive coaching search!
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I don't believe for a second that Wellman didn't begin his research of potential successors until after firing Gaudio.

No question the hire wasn't a good one. But any AD not named Lee Fowler has a full list of potential candidates to take over, including doing the initial background research on each coach's record, general personality, and approximately how much it may take to lure that coach away from their current job. So when Dino was fired, a full list was almost assuredly in place.

My guess is that when he then started calling the people on said list, many weren't interested and many ended up being outside the financial constraints of our Athletic Department at the time (during the recession, while paying the football coach $2.9 million, paying the prior coach, and with all the renovations we were making to our athletic facilities). [Redacted] was likely in the top 5-10 candidates on his list and after a few quick phone calls he probably could ascertain that he was the one guy on the list who would be interested at the salary offered. That still doesn't eliminate the fact that it was a bad hire, but that's how you could get to that point that quickly while performing an exhaustive coaching search.
 
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