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Wake Forest Twitter Thread aka Coach Scheier wins the Internet

Oh. My bad - 6 wins.

I live in the real world where paying $2.3 million for 6 wins is unacceptable.
 
TBR said:
I know that's a pet theory of yours, but I don't buy it. The end of the 2009 season was nothing like the end of the 2010, 2011, or 2012 seasons. Only the deplorable records were similar. Other than FSU, we fought in each game (before and after Maryland), we haven't fought much since.
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Not really a pet theory. A theory explains something. I started posting about this during that game. The end of 2009 was close losses, but losses that came from not being aggressive on offense.

The best example was the 13-10 loss at Navy where we didn't pass in the 1st half with an impending rain storm and then passed in the 2nd half in the rain.

Bubble, that's when the lack of balls by our coaching staff really manifested itself post-FRESH DEACS. Our redshirt seniors were redshirt freshmen then and the redshirt juniors like Nikita and Camp were on the sidelines. Hard for them to really play like their hair is on fire after seeing our coaching staff take the air out of the ball to protect feelings.

Sometimes you can point to a specific moment when things started downhill. It's like in 1997, Duncan's senior year, when we barely beat a bad UVa team at home. Jeff Jones used the "let Duncan get his" strategy that proved to be effective the rest of the season. Or an even better comparison was when we went into the Dean Dome undefeated a few weeks after destroying Kansas at the Joel and lost by 1. Odom took the air out of the ball the rest of the season and Butler happened.

Things started going downhill in the 2nd half of the Maryland game in 2009.
 
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stevewhite14 said:
What is our record running the 3-4 defense?
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I think this has hurt us a lot too. We catered a defense to one player and that hardly ever works for the best players in the country. No offense to Nikita, but he's not the type of player that you can change everything for and expect him to dominate. He's done his damn best though and I commend him for it.
 
whodatdeac said:
Look, I'm not saying I'm OK with the performances we've thrown out there recently. It's been embarrassing and extremely frustrating. I think the OC and DC need to be changed up.

What I am saying is that blowing everything up and cleaning house doesn't guarantee that we'll improve. In fact, if history tells us anything about having success at Wake Forest, it requires a unique approach to things and few people can do it. Most coaches couldn't make it work. Grobe has obviously found a way to be successful here like nobody else. I just want to give him a chance to make the necessary changes... if he doesn't adjust this offseason, then my opinion would change.

p.s. - he's averaged 6 wins per season since the Orange Bowl
p.p.s. - I think we're going bowling next year, based almost exclusively on the fact that our OL will get better
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He's averaged 6 wins because we won 9 in 2007, 5 years ago. Your bowl hopes for next season are not good enough reason to keep Grobe, plus they may be hinged on players whom are leaving. We've been embarrassed far too much these last 4 seasons to keep stalling. It's time we take our medicine and move on.
 
Bubble Boy said:
Yeah, I'm not buying that our crap play this year had anything to do with not being able to run the ball in the 2nd half against Maryland 3 plus seasons ago.
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WE got blown out in death valley the next game, then lost the next three by 3, 1, and 3. Put up over 500 yards against Miami and likely would have won if not for a misplayed punt return which turned momentum in Miami's favor. Lost in OT to a 1 loss GT team on the road. Started slow against FSU, offense still put up 450 yards. Not sure why PH continues to think that one game still haunts us.
 
myDeaconmyhand said:
He's averaged 6 wins because we won 9 in 2007, 5 years ago. Your bowl hopes for next season are not good enough reason to keep Grobe, plus they may be hinged on players whom are leaving. We've been embarrassed far too much these last 4 seasons to keep stalling. It's time we take our medicine and move on.
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OK, so he gets credit for the bad seasons but not the good ones? Cool.

Again, if you think some hot coaching prospect is going to choose Wake Forest, then you're crazy my man. We would have to hit the jackpot on some under-the-radar guy who would use us as a stepping stone to a better job. If we miss, it's a worse dumpster fire. Or we let Grobe make some changes and let the best coach in program history try and figure it out. If he doesn't make serious changes, then yes, he'll need to go.
 
Deacsfan27 said:
I think this has hurt us a lot too. We catered a defense to one player and that hardly ever works for the best players in the country. No offense to Nikita, but he's not the type of player that you can change everything for and expect him to dominate. He's done his damn best though and I commend him for it.
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Still don't know why Nikita can't play the under tackle in a 4-3 set.

Anyways, in a traditional 3-4, you have a lot of beef directly up the middle on the D line and line backers. We have no beef.
 
stevewhite14 said:
Still don't know why Nikita can't play the under tackle in a 4-3 set.

Anyways, in a traditional 3-4, you have a lot of beef directly up the middle on the D line and line backers. We have no beef.
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Well there are two different types of 3-4's that you can run, one is with a big NT, the other is with a smaller guy like Nikita. We clearly run the second one.
 
Deacsfan27 said:
Well there are two different types of 3-4's that you can run, one is with a big NT, the other is with a smaller guy like Nikita. We clearly run the second one.
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Not trying to be a smartass, but what team has successfully run a 3-4 defense with a small NT? When I think of good 3-4 defenses, I think of the Pats with Wilfork and Steelers with Hampton.
 
whodatdeac said:
OK, so he gets credit for the bad seasons but not the good ones? Cool.

Again, if you think some hot coaching prospect is going to choose Wake Forest, then you're crazy my man. We would have to hit the jackpot on some under-the-radar guy who would use us as a stepping stone to a better job. If we miss, it's a worse dumpster fire. Or we let Grobe make some changes and let the best coach in program history try and figure it out. If he doesn't make serious changes, then yes, he'll need to go.
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I've been pretty clear in the fact that Grobe isn't allowed to coast by on Riley Skinner's accomplishments anymore. You're not going to out clever me. Don't act as if this is the first dissapointing offseason where Grobe has just had to make assistant coaching changes (he never does). It's on the boss's head when his managers fuck up the store. I'm sorry that you're scared we can't do better, but i'm not. We've gotten our ass kicked by Vandy two years in a row, and we lost to Duke this year, and they are both recruiting better than us. Your excuses aren't helping this program.
 
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whodatdeac said:
Not trying to be a smartass, but what team has successfully run a 3-4 defense with a small NT? When I think of good 3-4 defenses, I think of the Pats with Wilfork and Steelers with Hampton.
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Successful 3-4 defenses begin and end with a strong LB corps, regardless if you have the hole-plugger or the shifty NT
 
whodatdeac said:
Great point, part of why I think the DC needs to go. Running a 3-4 defense with a 250 pound DT is insane.
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The DC? The 3-4 defense started mid-season under Lambert and continued till Billings/Knorr and is still happening with Knorr. The 3-4 is on Grobe.

And yes, it is insane especially since we moved our best DE since Thompson to OLB to make it happen.
 
Deacsfan27 said:
Well there are two different types of 3-4's that you can run, one is with a big NT, the other is with a smaller guy like Nikita. We clearly run the second one.
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Examples of the second one?
 
myDeaconmyhand said:
I've been pretty clear in the fact that Grobe isn't allowed to coast by on Riley Skinner's accomplishments anymore. You're not going to out clever me. Don't act as if this is the first dissapointing offseason where Grobe has just had to make assistant coaching changes (he never does). It's on the boss's head when his managers fuck up the store. I'm sorry that you're scared we can't do better, but i'm not. We've gotten our ass kicked by Vandy two years in a row, and we lost to Duke this year, and they are both recruiting better than us. Your excuses aren't helping this program.
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I wouldn't consider it excuses, I'd consider it logic. By the way, nothing you say on this board has any effect on the program, so lulz at the thought that my "excuses aren't helping this program".

Despite the struggles of the last few seasons, Grobe has proven he can get it done. He needs to make changes on his staff, not sure how many times I need to say that before it sinks in with you. But blowing it up has A LOT OF DOWNSIDE, and not much upside. Despite the delusional unicorn fantasy land that you live in, Wake is not going to be a perennial 9-win team. During Grobe's tenure he's shown that we can be a 7-win program. That's realistic and he should be accountable to that. He'll need to make changes to make that happen, but he's done it before.
 
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Pretty sure Dallas runs the smaller NT as a 1-gap in the middle like we do. Admittedly, there aren't many teams out there that do it and most of them run it with a big boy in the center. I'm not saying that it was the best idea in the world, just that there are different ways to run the 3-4 than just the traditional way.
 
PhDeac said:
The DC? The 3-4 defense started mid-season under Lambert and continued till Billings/Knorr and is still happening with Knorr. The 3-4 is on Grobe.

And yes, it is insane especially since we moved our best DE since Thompson to OLB to make it happen.
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Right, but with Lambert is was working better than it was with Knorr. Knorr should have seen that it wasn't working and considered a change.
 
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