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2014 FB Recruiting Thread: Signing Day is this Wednesday!

We lose to Vandy because our offense is a "3 and out" squad in the last two games. It's what has become of our OL recruiting classes from 3 years ago. Vandy is winning with kids who were there before Franklin. Mydeaconmyhand makes my point that highly rated high schoolers have little effect on the out comes of our games. If that wasn't the case, then Texas would have won 3 out of 4 NCs, not Alabama, because they seem to win the "Recruiting NC" every year. Same for USC, who lost to GT in El Paso.
 
Vandy has gone from a near gimme game for us to a gimme game for them. And Franklin is just starting to get in his recruits.
 
Damo, when we get a new commit, we'll be back to normal. The 2012 NFL draft had 16 of 32 picks who were 3/2 star guys coming into college. The 2009 recruiting class was 4 of 35 five star first rounders, 2008 was 7 of 37. It's not what you have, it's what you do with it.
 
DEACS76 said:
Damo, when we get a new commit, we'll be back to normal. The 2012 NFL draft had 16 of 32 picks who were 3/2 star guys coming into college. The 2009 recruiting class was 4 of 35 five star first rounders, 2008 was 7 of 37. It's not what you have, it's what you do with it.
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I don't understand the 2009 and 2008 numbers. The 2012 numbers just say that 4* and 5* players are overrepresented at the top of the draft.
 
PhDeac said:
I don't understand the 2009 and 2008 numbers. The 2012 numbers just say that 4* and 5* players are overrepresented at the top of the draft.
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LOL, that's what scientists say when the data doesn't fit the theory.
 
The main thing with 4* and particularly 5* guys is that they aren't going to be a miss. They absolutely will contribute to your program. They may not take over the 1st round of the draft but the percentage of overall 5* and 4*'s who are drafted is a much higher clip than the 3*. In individual cases, recruiting services rankings may not matter, but for an overall class, the numbers even out and the more 5* and 4* players you get, the better your team is. It's not rocket science.
 
tau06 said:
The main thing with 4* and particularly 5* guys is that they aren't going to be a miss. They absolutely will contribute to your program. They may not take over the 1st round of the draft but the percentage of overall 5* and 4*'s who are drafted is a much higher clip than the 3*. In individual cases, recruiting services rankings may not matter, but for an overall class, the numbers even out and the more 5* and 4* players you get, the better your team is. It's not rocket science.
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Then how do you explain Texas and USC, not living up to the expectations of all the 5* recruits they get. It comes down to coaching these players, and the character of the players themselves. Saban doesn't care about your HS days, he pushes everybody and demands the best from them all the time. There are more Divas at Texas then Alabama. The 4 first rounders from '09 were Trent Richardson, Sheldon Richardson, DJ Fluker, and Dre Kirkpatrick (3 of Saban's guys). Craig Loston of LSU is still playing and might be a 1st RDer. College football is not a statomatic enterprise.
 
Why are we talking about 4 and 5 star recruits NFL success? there is no question that those players beat our NR to fringe 3 star players on the college level, no matter where they get drafted. They dont need to play on Sunday to beat our asses on Saturday
 
Neurodeac said:
LOL, that's what scientists say when the data doesn't fit the theory.
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There were 35 and 37 1st round picks those years? Please explain what 76 was talking about.

Keep in mind there are relatively few 4* and 5* players. Also many of those busts at Texas and USC get beaten on the depth chart and field by other 4* and 5* players.
 
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DEACS76 said:
My point is SO WHAT. If we recruited 20 4-star recruits, would they beat out our 22 yr old seniors? Would they all be redshirted? How did our team, with so little talent, beat the 'holes with two 1st round draft picks and a ton of 4-stars? It comes down to what you become once you arrive on campus. From AC to Nikita, player developement is the key for OUR success. It's our failure to develope an OL over the years is the root to our problems.
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We beat the holes because they were missing their star RB. That's the truth. We played well, but not well enough to win without the injury. Poor recruiting has hurt us as have so many misses against programs like Duke and Vandy. We aren't winning any real battles. There's nothing sexy about playing for Grobe and Lobo, and that's what matters. Vandy and Duke can offer as much or more than us academically, so we aren't playing that card against them.
 
tau06 said:
The main thing with 4* and particularly 5* guys is that they aren't going to be a miss. They absolutely will contribute to your program. They may not take over the 1st round of the draft but the percentage of overall 5* and 4*'s who are drafted is a much higher clip than the 3*. In individual cases, recruiting services rankings may not matter, but for an overall class, the numbers even out and the more 5* and 4* players you get, the better your team is. It's not rocket science.
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Don't forget that you're talking to Wake fans who want to believe that because we can't recruit ranked players, the rankings don't matter. It's wishful thinking.
 
PhDeac said:
There were 35 and 37 1st round picks those years? Please explain what 76 was talking about.

Keep in mind there are relatively few 4* and 5* players. Also many of those busts at Texas and USC get beaten on the depth chart and field by other 4* and 5* players.
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In '09 there were 35 HS players who were ranked as 5*, 4 of those were 1st Rd draft choices. In '08, 37 5* players named, 7 were 1st Rd picks. As far as the UNC game, Aj Blue was a 4* and Morris was a 3*, they had 176 yds on 33 carries, so not much of a drop off.
 
Right now Franklin > Grobe.

Are we sure Franklin isn't cheating?

BlastOnPatrol said:
Vanderbilt beats us 10 times out of 10 now. The game is over at halftime, that's the problem. And it didn't take Franklin that long to get those guys to that point due to his recruiting prowess. He has the same limitations that we do.
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Gotcha. Those are far better odds than for 2* or 3* players.
 
What I was trying to say, is that if you are a 2/3*, you have just as good of a chance to be a 1st RD pick as a 4/5*. When a player walks onto a campus, it's a clean slate. He must prove himself all over again. Some 5* don't get this. This is why reading what Jaboree was saying impresses me more than sport page headlines of some Diva.
 
DEACS76 said:
What I was trying to say, is that if you are a 2/3*, you have just as good of a chance to be a 1st RD pick as a 4/5*. When a player walks onto a campus, it's a clean slate. He must prove himself all over again. Some 5* don't get this. This is why reading what Jaboree was saying impresses me more than sport page headlines of some Diva.
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No you don't.

There are far more 2 / 3 star players than there are 4 / 5 stars.
 
Does the Vandy fball player that stabbed his teammate, or the 4 Vandy players suspended today for sexual assault change any of this debate? I have no idea of the star count for the accused.
 
If 16 first round picks in the 2012 draft were 4/5* and 16 were 2/3*, than a player who is a 2/3* has as much chance of being one of the 32 first round choices as a 4/5* player. The only thing the NFL cares about your HS years is character. (see Aaron Hernandez lasting til the 4th rd).
 
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