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Game of Thrones - House of the Dragon - (and beyond) Discussion (spoilers allowed)

tigerswood said:
He (via that creepy little kid) gives Jorah his pardon for being a spy. How would he have known that Jorah would go noble and save Dany a few minutes/hours later? The assassination would have definitely worked, otherwise.
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gee i wonder
 
so the evidence against Vary's loyalty to the Targaryens and Dany in particular is that back in Season 1 when everyone was most vulnerable he was in deep cover after surviving the regime change to King Robert. He purportedly supports an assassination that fails, facilitates the pardon for a potent bodyguard for Dany and then just happens to make his way to serve her personally to extreme risk to himself rather than be an apolitical slimeball who serves whomever is on the Iron Throne, like you're accusing him.

If you were Varys in Season 1, for what other reason would you back the dwindling Targaryen House? taking a flier on finding magic dragon eggs?
 
ImTheCaptain said:
He's supported Targaryen-rule the whole series and actually Dany even before her brother died. Just because he served under different regimes doesn't make him a waffling character.
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Watch those early seasons again
 
Wakeforest22890 said:
Varys has supported like five different kings/queens during the show. He hasn't been loyal to Dany for "basically the whole show"
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It is such a misinformed take. But I was trying to help him get there on his own. THANKS FOR NOTHING.
 
ImTheCaptain said:
so what? that doesn't mean he wasn't working towards the goal of putting a Targaryen back on the throne. he's a spymaster. stop comparing him to jon snow or ed start or whatever notion you have of noble intentions.

re: the assassination, he even stated he knew King Robert would be dead soon so "supporting" the assassination was just him covering in the meantime. by orchestrating he was in the position to be assured of its failure
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Fuck sake. Just for fucks sake.
 
ImTheCaptain said:
so the evidence against Vary's loyalty to the Targaryens and Dany in particular is that back in Season 1 when everyone was most vulnerable he was in deep cover after surviving the regime change to King Robert. He purportedly supports an assassination that fails, facilitates the pardon for a potent bodyguard for Dany and then just happens to make his way to serve her personally to extreme risk to himself rather than be an apolitical slimeball who serves whomever is on the Iron Throne, like you're accusing him.

If you were Varys in Season 1, for what other reason would you back the dwindling Targaryen House? taking a flier on finding magic dragon eggs?
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This is the dumbest I've ever considered you to be.

Just stop. Just fucking stop.

Horrendous takes.
 
deacvision7 said:
Fuck sake. Just for fucks sake.
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so no, you don't have an actual argument except "he worked for other kings !1!!1!!!!!"

again, he gave up a safe life in King's Landing to back the House the lifted him out of the gutter.

do you guys even watch and/or read Game of Thrones?
 
Can anyone answer the most pressing question raised by last episode? Seriously, who shit in Tormund's pants?
 
ImTheCaptain said:
so no, you don't have an actual argument except "he worked for other kings !1!!1!!!!!"

again, he gave up a safe life in King's Landing to back the House the lifted him out of the gutter.

do you guys even watch and/or read Game of Thrones?
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Stahp.
 
Yeah, Varys' only allegiance is to "the realm", which he says about 7992981 times during the series. He did not support the Mad King's kids until he determined one of them (at least at the time) had a good heart and could potentially unite the 7 kingdoms in peace, get rid of slaves, etc. Not to mention, she logistically had the superior armies/dragons.

When he tried to help assassinate her, he just thought she was another crazy Targ that married a crazy horse lord to bring blood and chaos to the realm. Plus he hates magic and dragons = magic.
 
tigerswood said:
Yeah, Varys' only allegiance is to "the realm", which he says about 7992981 times during the series. He did not support the Mad King's kids until he determined one of them (at least at the time) had a good heart and could potentially unite the 7 kingdoms in peace, get rid of slaves, etc. Not to mention, she logistically had the superior armies/dragons.

When he tried to help assassinate her, he just thought she was another crazy Targ that married a crazy horse lord to bring blood and chaos to the realm. Plus he hates magic and dragons = magic.
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Dude, he setup that marriage. Varys arranged the marriage of Daenrys to Drago, so that her brother could get an army, that would invade Westeros and kill thousands. Dany was the one who changed the plan. There was none of that good heart or freeing the slaves nonsense. He preaches about the realm, the realm, but he is the one orchestrating the system changes. His for the people thing is nonsense, in 8 seasons they haven't shown him with the people once.

He sent the assassin, but also sent the guy to stop it. He helps one person while plotting the downfall of another. He's littlefinger with better PR.
 
Game of Thrones Season FIVE (and beyond) Discussion (spoilers allowed)

DaDeacs said:
Rumors are Alan Rickman as Stannis (yippee ki yay) or Rufus Sewell
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Whoa went back and saw this. Crazy Rickman is now dead. Sewell would have been a great Rosie Bolton.

ETA - great autocorrect. I’m gonna leave it.
 
Based off of re-watching old episodes, I predict Dany kills Varys with her dragon once she finds out Varys conspired to get nephew Jon on the throne. I think Tyrion lives.
 
I think it will be Sansa and Tyrion ruling in the end. Dany dies, and Jon reestablishes the Night's Watch.
 
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