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Wes Miller's record and degree and competition level is likely the same as K's pre Duke...just saying.
 
Shake said:
Wes Miller's record and degree and competition level is likely the same as K's pre Duke...just saying.
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No it isn't.

People forget K was well over .500 at Army. Army.
 
CharlotteDeac1 said:
Dude, just stop. It is not and never will be harder to win in the SOCON as UNCG than any team in the ACC. If Miller is actually the second coming of Coach K, he can coach up a group of "uncg recruits" to a conference "title" every single year. Just stop.

Unless you're talking about contender for a national championship?? Which is true but also irrelevant to the topic of having 11 more wins in his career.
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When playing in conference you will have similar recruits to others in your conference or does UNCG have some sort of recruiting advantage? When you play games out of conference, you will often be playing against teams that have much better athletes.

Wake, with a competent coach, should have a chance to win any game that it plays. No way that you can say that at UNCG.
 
knowell said:
When playing in conference you will have similar recruits to others in your conference or does UNCG have some sort of recruiting advantage? When you play games out of conference, you will often be playing against teams that have much better athletes.

Wake, with a competent coach, should have a chance to win any game that it plays. No way that you can say that at UNCG.
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This is one of the worse arguments I've seen on here. I don't know anything about socon recruiting because the socon sucks. The point that you're clearly missing is that if Miller was actually the next great, second coming of coach K he could take the same level recruits as every other team in the socon and win a championship every single year. Not sure why this is so hard to understand. All you need to compete in the socon is decent players for your conference and a competent coach - the same cannot be said going up against 3-5 five stars on the top teams in the ACC. Stop trying to prop up a terrible argument in the first place with another one.
 
ACC has multiple HOF coaches, ACC carries the talent load for NBA talent, ACC has 15 teams and the So Con has 10.

Stating that it's easier to win in the ACC is silly.

Also, those who say it's LOWF to bring up the fact Wake is the smallest D1 school in America, are wrong IMO.
 
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Coach K went 38-47 his first three years at Duke. I'm trying to imagine if we hired Wes Miller or any other coach, what this board would look like with that record after name redacted and Manning. Pretty sure we would burn to the ground any part of a program we have left. Can't really say what is the best way to go because the fan base is worn out. A case could be made Wes Miller would be a damn fool to take the Wake job.
 
And let's not forget the majority of the Dookies wanted to fire Coach K after his third year. And that's a fact you will never see reported.
 
macktheknife said:
And let's not forget the majority of the Dookies wanted to fire Coach K after his third year. And that's a fact you will never see reported.
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College basketball is completely different now than back in the early 80's.

This is a complete apples to oranges comparison.
 
Deacsfan27 said:
College basketball is completely different now than back in the early 80's.

This is a complete apples to oranges comparison.
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Right. Winning and losing coaches are so eighties. Did not happen then. What the fuck.
 
macktheknife said:
Right. Winning and losing coaches are so eighties. Did not happen then. What the fuck.
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Of course winning and losing occurred in the '80s, but the consequences for losing weren't nearly as costly as they are now.

The Kentucky coach in 1985 was making $500K, which is roughly $1.4M per year accounting for inflation. The top salary now is Coach K at over $7M, 7x more just in terms of the best paid coach. Hell Coaching Manning is making nearly 1.5x the amount, after account for inflation, that the Kentucky coach was making in 1985.

The amount of money going into college athletics from donors, schools, and the money made off of that now is incomparable to what was going on in the mid 80's. Wasting 3-4 years and toiling in mediocrity can cost schools literally millions of dollars in money up-front, as well as long-term donations that could have been earned from students who are around when winning is occurring and donate later in life.

The sport is unbelievably different from JUST a fiscal standpoint, and that doesn't even look at the other aspects of it.
 
Color me skeptical that we will have a top ten offense next year (barring a stunning improvement in guard play) so unless the new recruits fix the recurring defensive ineptitude present throughout all four years of Manning's coaching regime (unlikely) or we install a new, effective defensive system (some combo of slowing down play and valuing the ball/more ball pressure whatever) I just don't see how the ceiling for the team next year (and really any year) is middle/bottom of ACC and NIT/deep fringe bubble team with the floor being something like this year.
 
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Oh good grief. You let DR throw out a statistic without checking it and then argue about it for the next 2 pages? DR picked a true but misleading statistic. Yes, Miller has 11 more wins than Manning but that's because he has coached one more year. The fair comparison is the first 5 years (Manning hasn't finished the 6th year so it would be ridiculous to compare it to Miller's finished 6th year). In the first 5 years of their respective coaching careers, Miller had 60 wins and Manning had 81. Y'all just took DR's statistic at face value and ran with it.
 
In today's day and age it's getting harder and harder to accept people's arguments to be truthful and in good faith.
 
Neurodeac said:
Oh good grief. You let DR throw out a statistic without checking it and then argue about it for the next 2 pages? DR picked a true but misleading statistic. Yes, Miller has 11 more wins than Manning but that's because he has coached one more year. The fair comparison is the first 5 years (Manning hasn't finished the 6th year so it would be ridiculous to compare it to Miller's finished 6th year). In the first 5 years of their respective coaching careers, Miller had 60 wins and Manning had 81. Y'all just took DR's statistic at face value and ran with it.
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And it was a ridiculous statistic to compare in the first place. Not sure why people feed that troll.
 
Neurodeac said:
Oh good grief. You let DR throw out a statistic without checking it and then argue about it for the next 2 pages? DR picked a true but misleading statistic. Yes, Miller has 11 more wins than Manning but that's because he has coached one more year. The fair comparison is the first 5 years (Manning hasn't finished the 6th year so it would be ridiculous to compare it to Miller's finished 6th year). In the first 5 years of their respective coaching careers, Miller had 60 wins and Manning had 81. Y'all just took DR's statistic at face value and ran with it.
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The true metric is empty stadium seats divided by wins. Everybody knows that.
 
Renfield said:
The true metric is empty stadium seats divided by wins. Everybody knows that.
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Nope, the only metric that matters is how many seats are in the stadium and how close is it to the admissions office, on campus of course.
 
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