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Official Russian Election Interference Thread

But I thought it was the Democrats that couldn't accept the results of the election?

Paging jh and palma. Jh and palma to the courtesy phone, please.

Well it's clear that the Republicans not accepting the outcome of the election is directly related to the Democrats not accepting the outcome, and the Dems ran Hillary, which forced the Republican hand to select Trump out of the a field of 23,543, and Trump is doing a great job, but if he wasn't, that'd be the Democrats fault, but he's doing great, and the liberal media is just hating on Trump because they have some sick obligation to appeal to human decency, which the Republicans also do, but just because the Russians meddled a little in the election it gets covered up, which is ridiculous because Hillary had a private server and Trump was just doing what everyone else has done behind closed doors but the age we live in is just too obsessed and can't let Trump go, so now Trump is a bad guy just because he likes Nazis, but Obama hated the police which started this whole thing and and and and....DEMZ FAULT!
 
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I mean, come on. Tweet for everything.
 
The irony is the electoral college could have done just that, yet it's what made him president when the people DIDN'T elect a moron.
 
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Lol. Mueller and his team must have a war board with a timeline of every tweet by Trump, Manafort, Stone and the rest of these assholes along with dates of every meeting, conversation and email with a Russian. The dots are connecting.
 
moonz says we're all going to eat crow, doe

I'm collecting a big bucket of birds for all of the trump shills to feast on once this whole thing is over. Hopefully moonz can track down BS4L because he is definitely invited.


NBC just reported that Mueller has interviewed Christopher Steele. And the dots on his dossier are beginning to connect.

Mueller reportedly interviewed the author of the Trump-Russia dossier — here's what it alleges, and how it aligned with reality

Natasha Bertrand 1h 7


http://www.businessinsider.com/christopher-steele-trump-dossier-russia-timeline-2017-10
 
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I'm collecting a big bucket of birds for all of the trump shills to feast on once this whole thing is over. Hopefully moonz can track down BS4L because he is definitely invited.


NBC just reported that Mueller has interviewed Christopher Steele. And the dots on his dossier are beginning to connect.

Mueller reportedly interviewed the author of the Trump-Russia dossier — here's what it alleges, and how it aligned with reality

Natasha Bertrand 1h 7


http://www.businessinsider.com/christopher-steele-trump-dossier-russia-timeline-2017-10

Leave the birds out of this. Make BSF4L eat some cats.
 
From business insider/Bertrand article linked above.


Dossier allegations

June 20, 2016: The dossier alleges that Trump had been cultivated by Russian officials "for at least five years," that the Kremlin had compromising material related to "sexually perverted acts" Trump performed at a Moscow Ritz Carlton, and that Trump's inner circle was accepting a regular flow of intelligence from the Kremlin on Hillary Clinton.

The flow of intelligence is being facilitated by Paul Manafort, then Trump's campaign manager, who is using Carter Page as a "liaison" between the campaign and the Kremlin, the dossier says.

Actual events

June 9, 2016: Donald Trump Jr. hosts Russian lawyer Natalia Veselnitskaya and Russian-American lobbyist Rinat Akhmetshin at Trump Tower after being promised compromising information about Hillary Clinton. Jared Kushner and Paul Manafort attend the meeting. Manafort takes notes that reportedly reference donations and the Republican National Committee.

July 7, 2016: Page, who served as an adviser "on key transactions" for Russia's state-owned energy giant Gazprom, travels to Moscow to speak at the New Economic School. There, he gives a speech that is heavily critical of US foreign policy. He stays in Russia for approximately three days.

Dossier allegations

July 19, 2016: A Russian source close to Igor Sechin, the president of Russia's state-owned oil company Rosneft, "confided the details of a recent secret meeting" between Sechin and Trump campaign adviser Carter Page while Page was in Moscow in early July.

Sechin "raised with Page the issues of future bilateral energy cooperation and prospects for an associated move to lift Ukraine-related western sanctions against Russia."

Actual events

July 7, 2016: Manafort writes his longtime employee, Russian-Ukrainian operative Konstantin Kilimnik, asking him to offer "private briefings" about the campaign to a Russian oligarch and Putin ally.

July 11, 2016: GOP platform week kicks off, one week before the start of the Republican National Convention. An amendment to the Republican Party's draft policy on Ukraine proposing that the GOP commit to sending "lethal weapons" to the Ukrainian army to fend off Russian aggression is softened to "provide appropriate assistance."

July 22, 2016: WikiLeaks publishes the first set of hacked DNC emails, one day before the Democratic National Convention kicks off in Philadelphia.

Dossier allegations

The Trump campaign "agreed to sideline Russian intervention in Ukraine as a campaign issue" in return for Russia leaking the DNC emails to WikiLeaks. The reason for using WikiLeaks was "plausible deniability, and the operation had been done with the full knowledge and support of Trump and senior members of his campaign team."

Actual events

July 19, 2016: Then-Sen. Jeff Sessions, along with two Trump campaign advisers JD Gordon and Carter Page, meet Russia's ambassador to the US Sergey Kislyak at the Global Partners in Diplomacy event staged by the Heritage Foundation. "Much of the discussion focused on Russia's incursions into Ukraine and Georgia," according to delegate Victor Ashe.

July 27, 2016: Trump holds a press conference in which he asks Russian hackers to "find the 30,000 [Hillary Clinton] emails that are missing. I think you will probably be rewarded mightily by our press." His campaign later said he was joking.

July 31, 2016: Sessions, who said in 2015 that the west has to "unify against Russia," goes on CNN and characterizes US relationship with Russia as a "cycle of hostility" that needs to be resolved.

Late July, 2016: The FBI opens its investigation into Russia's interference in the election, and the Trump campaign's possible role in it.

August

Roger StoneRoger Stone.Hollis Johnson

Paul Manafort resigns amid negative press about his work in Ukraine, and Roger Stone - a top Trump confidant and early campaign adviser - predicts that Hillary Clinton's campaign chairman, John Podesta, will "soon" be targeted.

Dossier allegations

July 31, 2016: Steele writes that the Kremlin has more intelligence on Clinton and her campaign but doesn't know when it will be released.

August 5, 2016: The chief of Putin's administration, Sergei Ivanov, expresses doubts about the "black PR" campaign being run by Dmitry Peskov, Putin's spokesman, in favor of Trump and against Clinton. Says it's been managed like "an elephant in a china shop" and advises Kremlin to now "sit tight and deny everything," but advises Putin that pro-Trump operation will ultimately be successful.

Actual events

August 5, 2016: Roger Stone writes in Breitbart that "a hacker who goes by the name of Guccifer 2.0," and not the Russians, hacked into the DNC and fed the documents to WikiLeaks.

August 12, 2016: "Guccifer 2.0" releases files purportedly stolen in a cyberattack on the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee. Guccifer 2.0's Twitter account is briefly suspended. When it is reinstated, Roger Stone begins a private Twitter conversation with the alleged hacker. Experts soon link Guccifer 2.0 back to Russia and conclude the so-called hacker is the product of a Russian disinformation campaign.

August 14, 2016: The New York Times reports new details about Trump campaign manager Manafort's involvement with Ukraine. The paper reported that Ukraine leader Yanukovych's pro-Russia political party had earmarked $12.7 million for Manafort for his work between 2007-2012. Manafort has said he never collected the payments.

August 15, 2016: Sergei Ivanov, the chief of Putin's administration who expressed doubts about how the Trump-Russia collaboration was being carried out, is unexpectedly fired by Putin.

Dossier allegations

August 10, 2016: Steele writes that a "Kremlin official involved in US relations" commented in early August that the Kremlin had been trying to build sympathy for Russia in the US by funding several political figures' trips to Moscow, including Michael Flynn and Carter Page. The trips were "successful in terms of perceived outcomes," the official said.

August 15, 2016: Ousted Ukrainian president Viktor Yanukovych, who fled to Russia in 2014, tells Putin that he's been funneling "kickback payments" to Paul Manafort. Manafort, who had advised Yanukovych and his pro-Russia political party from 2007-2012, was Trump's campaign manager at the time.

Yanukovych "sought to reassure" Putin that "there was no documentary trail left behind which could provide clear evidence" of the payments. Putin and other Kremlin officials remained skeptical of Yanukovych's assurances and feared the payments "remained a point of potential political vulnerability."

Actual events

August 19, 2016: Manafort resigns as Trump's campaign manager after denying that he ever collected any payments that had been earmarked for him in Ukraine.

August 21, 2016: Roger Stone tweets a prediction about Hillary Clinton's campaign chairman, John Podesta. "Trust me, it will soon the [sic] Podesta's time in the barrel. #CrookedHillary"

September

Sergey KislyakSergey Kislyak, Russian Ambassador to the United StatesGetty Mario Tama

Trump says he'll "take" Putin's "compliments," Sessions meets privately with Kislyak, and Carter Page takes a "leave of absence."

Dossier allegations

September 14, 2016: A Kremlin official "confirms from direct knowledge" that Russia's US ambassador Sergey Kislyak had been aware of the Kremlin's interference in the US election, and had "urged caution and the potential negative impact on Russia from the operation/s."

The official says the Kremlin has further kompromat on Clinton that it plans to release via "plausibly deniable" channels - aka WikiLeaks - after Russia's mid-September legislative elections. But a growing train of thought inside the Kremlin is that Russia could still make Clinton look "weak" and "stupid" without needing to release more of her emails. It's decided that Putin himself will have final say over whether further Clinton kompromat is disseminated.

Steele writes another dispatch dated September 14, 2016, detailing the relationship between Putin and Russian oligarchs who control Russia's Alfa Bank.

Actual events

September 7, 2016: NBC's Matt Lauer confronts Trump about his praise of Putin. Trump replies, "Well, I think when he calls me brilliant, I'll take the compliment, OK?"

September 8, 2016: Sessions and Russian ambassador Sergey Kislyak meet privately in Sessions' office. An administration official tells NBC in early March - when news of the meeting breaks - that "election-related news" was likely discussed.

September 26, 2016: Page takes a "leave of absence" from the Trump campaign after a Yahoo News report alleges that Igor Sechin offered him the brokerage of a 19% stake in Rosneft.

October

John Podesta speaks to the crowd at Hillary Clinton's election night rally in New York City on November 9, 2016.John Podesta speaks to the crowd at Hillary Clinton's election night rally in New York City on November 9, 2016.Carlos Barria/Reuters

Roger Stone's tweets foreshadow WikiLeaks' release of John Podesta emails, Obama publicly accuses Russia of hacking Democrats, and the FBI examines computer server activity between the Trump Organization and Alfa Bank.

Dossier allegations

October 12, 2016: Control over the anti-Clinton black PR had passed from the MFA (Ministry of Foreign Affairs) to the FSB (Federal Security Service, successor to KGB) then into the Presidential Administration (PA) as it gained momentum.

But "buyer's remorse set in" as Podesta's emails proved less damaging to the Clinton campaign than Russia had expected. Russians injected further anti-Clinton material into WikiLeaks pipeline "which will continue to surface, but best material already in the public domain."

Actual events

October 1, 2016: Roger Stone tweets that "Wednesday @HillaryClinton is done."

October 3, 2016: Stone tweets that he has "total confidence that @wikileaks and my hero Julian Assange will educate the American people soon #LockHerUp."

October 5, 2016: Stone tweets "Payload coming. #Lockthemup."

October 7, 2016: WikiLeaks publishes the first batch of emails hacked from Hillary Clinton campaign chairman John Podesta's inbox - one hour after an Access Hollywood video surfaces of Trump making lewd remarks about women, threatening to derail his campaign.

October 7, 2016: The Obama administration officially, and publicly, accuses Russia of "directing the recent compromises of emails from U.S. persons and institutions, including from U.S. political organizations" to affect the US election.

October 12, 2016: Stone admits to having "back-channel communication with Assange" through a mutual friend who "travels back and forth from the United States and London."

August-October 2016: The FBI, as part of a counter-intelligence task force established by the CIA, investigates computer server activity between the Trump Organization and Alfa Bank.

November-January

A Russian oligarch shows up in North Carolina while Trump is there campaigning, Trump wins the election, Rosneft signs a massive deal, Page travels to Moscow again, Obama issues new sanctions over Russian hacking, and Trump's lawyer entertains a back-channel peace plan for Ukraine.

Actual events

November 3, 2016: Russian oligarch Dmitry Rybolovlev flies into Charlotte, North Carolina on his private plane. Trump's plane lands on the tarmac minutes later and parks next to Rybolovlev, whose plane stays in Charlotte for 22 hours afterward. Trump rallies in nearby Concord, NC.

November 8, 2016: Donald Trump wins a dramatic and unexpected victory in the presidential election.

donald trump election nightPresident-elect Donald TrumpMark Wilson/Getty Images

Early December, 2016: Kushner meets with former Russian ambassador Sergei Kislyak and floats the possibility of setting up a secure line of communication between the Trump transition team and Russia. A few weeks later, Kushner meets with the CEO of a sanctioned Russian bank, Sergei Gorkov.

December 7, 2016: Rosneft signs a deal to sell 19.5% of shares, or roughly $11 billion, to the multinational commodity trader Glencore Plc and Qatar's state-owned wealth fund.

December 8, 2016: Carter Page travels to Moscow to "meet with some of the top managers" of Rosneft, he told reporters at the time.

December 29, 2016: Obama issues new sanctions against Russia, calling Moscow's "malicious cyber-enabled activities" a "national emergency" aimed at undermining democratic processes. Thirty-five Russian diplomats are expelled from the US. Top Trump adviser and soon-to-be national security adviser Michael Flynn is recorded speaking with Kislyak about the new sanctions and reassures him that the Trump administration will re-evaluate them.

December 30, 2016: Putin announces, unexpectedly and out of character, that Russia will not retaliate against the US for the new sanctions. Says he will wait to see how US-Russian relations develop under the Trump administration before planning "any further steps." Trump tweets "Great move on delay (by V. Putin) - I always knew he was very smart!"
 
I would like to point out again that criminal charges are not a prerequisite for impeachment.
 
I would like to point out again that criminal charges are not a prerequisite for impeachment.

Correct, but congressional Republican spines are a prerequisite and Trump does just enough, like today's news that employers will be free to remove contraception from insurance plans, to keep Republicans happy.
 

What's the oooops for? Because they stated exactly how the process works? Mueller is going to use the facts to determine whether a criminal or impeachable offense occurred. These comments are about as insightful as when John Madden used to say "I know a lot of people believe the Patriots will win tonight but the team that finishes with the most points will win the game" on MNF.




“I know a lot of people are sort of putting all their hopes into Bob Mueller. And I’ve got tremendous confidence in Bob Mueller,” Yates said in a joint interview with Bharara at Vanity Fair's New Establishment Summit in New York, according to The Wall Street Journal.

“But the fact of the matter is, he’s going to determine whether there’s proof beyond a reasonable doubt that felonies were committed, that crimes were committed that can be used for prosecution or impeachment," she added.

Bharara emphasized that Mueller's investigation is intended to "find out the truth and apply the law and facts fairly" and said that he could ultimately decide against bringing a case.

“He may not decide that there is an offense to be charged or referred to the House of Representatives for impeachment. And I’ll respect that. And I think people who are on one side of the fence should respect that also,” he said, according to the Journal.
 
'These are things we've never seen before': The Russia investigation is moving into uncharted territory

-The FBI's special counsel's team is digging into the limits of President Donald Trump's pardon powers.

-Because there is little precedent for governing presidential pardon powers, the special counsel, Robert Mueller, is likely to research state-level cases with elements that could be applied to the Russia investigation.

-Experts say Mueller is taking unprecedented steps to ward off efforts by the White House to guard itself against the investigation.

http://www.businessinsider.com/trump-russia-mueller-pardon-obstruction-of-justice-2017-10
 
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