General Election Thread: Two Weeks Out

Coach O said:
I don't know very many Christians who are supporting Hilary. There may be...but not in my circle. Where I live, there are several churches ( where I have friends who attend) who are putting their support behind Trump.

I hope you can logically differentiate between "caring" and "struggling to understand."

Once again, my original comment stands, and you have not addressed it. You asked me to cut and paste my favorite...I told you it was the part about Christians supporting Trump. From that point on, your posts have been about Clinton.

Feel free to correct me if I am wrong, but it appears to me that you have done nothing but try to set me up...troll style. I have been open and honest in my responses.

Edited to add: Christian Democrats supporting Clinton seems more in line with historical Democrat views. I have a "nothing new to see here" view on that. It's the Republican side I am struggling with...I historically associate Christian Republicans with supporting Mitt Romney types. Trump is the complete opposite of that.
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1. Pretty sure the overwhelming majority of Hillary supporters self-identify as Christians. Just because they're not in your circle, surely you know they exist. So it seems bizarre to me that you're just concerned about how Christians can support Trump and never thought to ask yourself how they can support someone as flawed and with as many skeletons in the closet as Hillary.
2. As for how any Christian can support either of these candidates, being a Christian involves constantly making compromises with any society in which you exist. You can run down a long list of things in this society that seem antithetical to the teachings of Jesus. Why not ask how can any Christian think it's okay to seek material wealth? Yet that's what everyone is trying to do. Anyway, there is no one Christianity. Different things have greater importance to different Christians. The black and Hispanic churches almost all support Hillary, while most conservative evangelicals support Trump. They've got their reasons.

I'm not setting you up or trolling you but I don't think you're being honest. Or if you are, you're very misguided about who is supporting Hillary.
 
BobStackFan4Life said:
1. Pretty sure the overwhelming majority of Hillary supporters self-identify as Christians. Just because they're not in your circle, surely you know they exist. So it seems bizarre to me that you're just concerned about how Christians can support Trump and never thought to ask yourself how they can support someone as flawed and with as many skeletons in the closet as Hillary.
2. As for how any Christian can support either of these candidates, being a Christian involves constantly making compromises with any society in which you exist. You can run down a long list of things in this society that seem antithetical to the teachings of Jesus. Why not ask how can any Christian think it's okay to seek material wealth? Yet that's what everyone is trying to do. Anyway, there is no one Christianity. Different things have greater importance to different Christians. The black and Hispanic churches almost all support Hillary, while most conservative evangelicals support Trump. They've got their reasons.

I'm not setting you up or trolling you but I don't think you're being honest. Or if you are, you're very misguided about who is supporting Hillary.
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Fair enough. You will have to take me at my word that I am being honest. I will take you at yours that you are not trolling me.

This would have all gone quicker if you would have responded with your answer #2 to my original post. Totally legit answer, and the one I was seeking in the first place.
 
RJKarl said:
94 was there very close to the beginning.
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Yep, he was. So was Kent. I was explaining to my 18 year old the other day that I was a "community leader" (i.e. moderator) on the AOL ACC sports board back then. He asked me if I got paid. I said absolutely...I got 2 free hours of AOL a week! Should have seen the look of confusion on his face when I explained what that meant...
 
Coach O said:
Fair enough. You will have to take me at my word that I am being honest. I will take you at yours that you are not trolling me.

This would have all gone quicker if you would have responded with your answer #2 to my original post. Totally legit answer, and the one I was seeking in the first place.
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Okay, my apologies for questioning your honesty. I shouldn't have done that.
 
Somehow BSF has no problem with empathy and understanding when it comes to absolving Christian sects of blatant hypocrisy. Coincidence that the absolved just happen to be Trump voters? Nah. Not that I have a problem with that, I just wish he would apply that same mindset to other groups of people, groups that he doesn't agree with.

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myDeaconmyhand said:
Somehow BSF has no problem with empathy and understanding when it comes to absolving Christian sects of blatant hypocrisy. Not that I have a problem with that, I just wish he would apply that same mindset to other groups of people.

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Not sure what you're referring to. But I have no problem with people calling out the hypocrisy of Christians.
 
I don't believe you. Your need to equate Trump and Hillary in all moral conditions betrays your neutrality, because they are not mirror opposites. Trump is not a pacifist, and therefore there is no pacifist choice for a Christian, so an honestly informed Christian must base their choice on greater specificity. Trump and Hillary are not morally equivalent.

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myDeaconmyhand said:
I don't believe you. Your need to equate Trump and Hillary in all moral conditions betrays your neutrality, because they are not mirror opposites. Trump is not a pacifist, and therefore there is no pacifist choice for a Christian, so an honestly informed Christian must base their choice on greater specificity. Trump and Hillary are not morally equivalent.

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I'm agnostic. I'm sure Christians who support one or the other have their reasons and probably reconcile their choice with their religious beliefs. For example, people opposed to abortion will have difficulty reconciling that with a vote for Hillary. But I'm sure plenty of Hispanic Catholics who are strongly opposed to abortion will still vote for her. There are issues for them that outweigh her support for abortion rights. And I don't believe they are mirror opposites- Trump is terrible but Hillary is worse. Trump is not a pacifist, but I doubt he's a murderous war monger like Hillary. So I give the edge to Trump when it comes to who is less likely to get us involved in another war. Anyway, neither of them are moral but I consider Trump to be more moral than Hillary. Obviously ymmv.
 
We all have to judge people on their actions, but as it regards to sources and confirmation, you Trump shills have created a vicious cycle with your distrust of mainstream media, and complete trust in secondary unestablished media. You seem to dismiss or blindly defend terrible things that Trump says or does in real time, and counter those with alleged faults, unprovable claims and poorly sourced conspiracy theories about Hillary. Very rarely do you attack Hillary based on real time events or proved charges. You actively discredit yourself due to your reliance on unproved charges and alleged faults, (feelings) rather than established relevant facts. Trump is self-immolating right in front of you, and you're yelling fire at Hillary's smoking chimney. Yeah, maybe she is burning evidence in there, but look in front of your face.

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myDeaconmyhand said:
We all have to judge people on their actions, but as it regards to sources and confirmation, you Trump shills have created a vicious cycle with your distrust of mainstream media, and complete trust in secondary unestablished media. You seem to dismiss or blindly defend terrible things that Trump says or does in real time, and counter those with alleged faults, unprovable claims and poorly sourced conspiracy theories about Hillary. Very rarely do you attack Hillary based on real time events or proved charges. You actively discredit yourself due to your reliance on unproved charges and alleged faults, (feelings) rather than established relevant facts. Trump is self-immolating right in front of you, and you're yelling fire at Hillary's smoking chimney. Yeah, maybe she is burning evidence in there, but look in front of your face.

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Trump is nuts. But I still think Hillary will make for a worse president.
 
That's fine. Just seems you should be aware that you are far more convincing selling Trump's amorphous populism than attacking Hillary's character. Trump is obviously intent on losing the character battle.

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