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Ongoing Dem Debacle Thread: Commander will kill us all

MHBDemon said:
The numbers don't prove what you think they prove because you don't understand statistics.
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You are easier to play than a four year old who thinks your thumb is his/her nose.

Thanks for proving my point about you AGAIN.

You have the same stock answers for everything I post.
 
RJKarl said:
You are easier to play than a four year old who thinks your thumb is his/her nose.

Thanks for proving my point about you AGAIN.

You have the same stock answers for everything I post.
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I tell you that you don't understand statistics because you repeatedly show yourself to not understand them. I don't know what else to tell you.
 
Strickland33 said:
At this point? Dude has been trolling you for awhile.
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There's no question that Bernie voters helped elect Trump. I showed the numbers that voted for Bernie in the primaries versus how many leaked to Trump using the graph that MDMH posted and used the actual vote totals in three critical states.
 
Strickland33 said:
At this point? Dude has been trolling you for awhile.
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He sincerely believes some stupid shit, and is often blatantly apathetic to the problems caused by major corporations and investment banks, and the corrupt political machinations that authorize those problems. ITC certainly tries to play off his beliefs as trolling, and I indulge that, but his ideological sincerity is easy to see.
 
Personally I just don't mind arguing about shit here. If we all agreed it would be boring as hell. I may vehemently disagree with most of you, but at least I know i'm arguing with intelligent people and I become familiar with your side of the argument.
 
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Strickland33 said:
Okay, this made me laugh a lot. Where is Sokolove?
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Maybe you can explain how using MDMH's graph and the real numbers of primary and general election voters is wrong:

1. The numbers presented by MDMH's post shows that 10% of Bernie primary voters voted for Trump.
2. I showed how many people in each of those states voted for Bernie in the primary.
3. Then I showed what the vote difference in those states were.

#2 and #3 are incontrovertible facts. There is no theory or "statistical" way to challenge them.

I used the percentage MDMH posted. You can't have it both ways and be honest.

How is that wrong?
 
Shooshmoo said:
Certainly not the data you posted that supports what I said.
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I didnt post any data about Bernie Bros or DSA, so you must be referring to something else. The data I posted was about older voters who identified as moderate or more conservative, and thats not who you were talking about.
 
MHBDemon said:
Unless it's Bernie, you are probably right. I'm a socialist. Why should I be happy with a centrist? This shouldn't be a surprise to anyone anymore, and should not be so contentious. It doesn't mean I won't vote for them.
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I was being super tongue-in-cheek, MDMH was stating obvious things as being really poignant statements so I thought I’d join the party.
 
AsesinoDeTortugas said:
I was being super tongue-in-cheek, MDMH was stating obvious things as being really poignant statements so I thought I’d join the party.
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If you feel they are obvious then I wasnt posting them for you. I also think they're obvious.
 
myDeaconmyhand said:
The data I posted was about older voters who identified as moderate or more conservative, and thats not who you were talking about.
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That is not the only data you posted and those "older voters" were still Bernie Bros, but there is no getting you to understand the issue, so I will end the discussion.
 
Shoo, MDMH won't even address that if you use his numbers Bernie voters who changed to Trump; the number of Bernie primary votes cast in PA, WI and MI and then look at the margins in the those states, you'd have enough to swing all three away from Trump.

But that's not the right way to use stats...hmmmm
 
RJKarl said:
Shoo, MDMH won't even address that if you use his numbers Bernie voters who changed to Trump; the number of Bernie primary votes cast in PA, WI and MI and then look at the margins in the those states, you'd have enough to swing all three away from Trump.

But that's not the right way to use stats...hmmmm
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Because it's redundant. If old racist men had voted for Hillary instead of Trump, Hillary would have won. Great point.
 
That wasn't the original idea. In fact, it's more definitive. The total number of votes is finite. We aren't talking about adding votes to overcome a lead. Thus, if there is a 12,000 vote margin in MI, you would have only needed to change 6001 of those votes to change the outcome.

Old racist men aren't going to vote Dem in 2016, but childish, pouting Bernie Bros did impact the outcome. What they empirically showed is that they can't be trusted.
 
Shooshmoo said:
I'm not having trouble supporting shit -- I said "Bernie Bros and DSA helped give us the racist asshat Trump". They did. You have not shown they did not. You and MDMH just tried to change the argument. Take the L and move on.
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you have not shown that they have

in many (most?) states, anybody can pick which primary they vote for. what evidence do you have that the defectors were "Bernie Bros"?
 
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