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Official Russian Election Interference Thread

I've been watching fake news from the left for a lot longer than you have even been aware of it's existence, but thanks for the pointers anyway professor.

And you think it's fake news because it doesn't fit your narrative.

Sad that you'll believe click bait from kids from Macedonia over trusted journalists.
 
Reports are coming out that Igor Sechin's Chief of Staff was found dead in his car in Moscow. Don't know much about either guy but the COS Oleg Erovinkin was ex KGB and VP to Rosneft.

http://www.economist.com/news/europ...rowdfire&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter

Mr Sechin is one of the most feared men in Russia and an essential instrument of Vladimir Putin’s power. A major player among the siloviki (former and current members of the security services), he epitomises Russia’s nexus between political power and property. Despite being a target of American sanctions, earlier this month he succeeded in selling a 19.5% stake in Rosneft to Glencore, a commodities firm, and the Qatar Investment Fund, raising $11bn. The deal, the biggest foreign investment in Russia since the start of the Ukraine crisis in 2014, pleased the Kremlin no end. “Putin needs that like he needs air,” says Olga Kryshtanovskaya, a sociologist who studies the Russian elite.
 
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And you think it's fake news because it doesn't fit your narrative.

Sad that you'll believe click bait from kids from Macedonia over trusted journalists.


don't be nonsensical, nothing of what you say and speculate here is true, and your statements show that you have been deeply influenced by spoon-fed fake left-liberal news

liberate yourself, a mind is a terrible thing to waste
 
don't be nonsensical, nothing of what you say and speculate here is true, and your statements show that you have been deeply influenced by spoon-fed fake left-liberal news

liberate yourself, a mind is a terrible thing to waste
Bullshit.
 
sailor uses Breitbart and conserapedia versus the entire intelligence apparatus of the US and the rest of the world. Then, he says those who believe facts are being spoofed versus his "sources".

:bowrofl::bowrofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:
 
Clearly you're trying to bait people into an argument sailor. Anyone who cites conservapedia or breitbart doesn't have a leg to stand on in a debate about journalistic integrity.

Does the nytimes and WAPO have some inherent liberal bias? Yes of course, the papers are written and edited by human beings. Does Fox News and the Wall Street Journal have conservative biases? Absolutely for many of the same reasons.

As citizens, it's our responsibility to take in news from various sources that actually have a code of conduct and set of standards including fact checkers. Does that set of standards always work? No but no institution or person can claim a 100% track record.

At the end of the day conservapedia and breitbart are merely conservative porn...just like daily kos and Michael Moore's movie du jour is porn for liberals.
 
Clearly you're trying to bait people into an argument sailor. Anyone who cites conservapedia or breitbart doesn't have a leg to stand on in a debate about journalistic integrity.

Does the nytimes and WAPO have some inherent liberal bias? Yes of course, the papers are written and edited by human beings. Does Fox News and the Wall Street Journal have conservative biases? Absolutely for many of the same reasons.

As citizens, it's our responsibility to take in news from various sources that actually have a code of conduct and set of standards including fact checkers. Does that set of standards always work? No but no institution or person can claim a 100% track record.

At the end of the day conservapedia and breitbart are merely conservative porn...just like daily kos and Michael Moore's movie du jour is porn for liberals.

what is your problem with the specific articles I have cited, you act as if the sources you don't like are always wrong about everything, and that is a pretty ridiculous position
 
Here you go sailor. Godspeed.

http://www.npr.org/2016/12/11/50515...hare&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_medium=social

A Finder's Guide To Facts

December 11, 20168:25 AM ET

Behind the fake news crisis lies what's perhaps a larger problem: Many Americans doubt what governments or authorities tell them, and also dismiss real news from traditional sources. But we've got tips to sharpen our skepticism.

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Are we really in a post-truth era? Somebody on the Internet said so. Many people, actually.

The presidential campaign was filled with falsehoods. Our president-elect no longer poses as a truth-teller: Aides and supporters say we should not take him literally. That's good for him, since he endorsed a conspiracy theory that cast doubt on his own election. (Remember? He claimed without evidence that there were "millions" of illegal voters, who, if they did exist, might have swung the election to him.) Fake news stories about a Washington, D.C., pizza restaurant prompted a real person to "investigate" with a rifle in early December.

But let's properly define the problem. History and experience tell me it's not a post-truth era: Facts have always been hard to separate from falsehoods, and political partisans have always made it harder. It's better to call this a post-trust era.

Business, government, churches and the media have fallen in public esteem. These institutions paid a price for an entire generation of wars, scandals, economic convulsions and cynical politics. We're left with fewer traditional guideposts for whom to believe. The spread of fake news from fraudulent sources is only a symptom: The larger problem is that many Americans doubt what governments or authorities tell them, and also dismiss real news from traditional sources.

Hazardous as the post-trust era may be, it shouldn't cause despair. It's all right for Americans to be skeptical of what they read and hear. How could I say otherwise? I'm a journalist. It's my job to question what I hear. While I shouldn't cynically dismiss everything people tell me, I should ask for evidence and avoid buying into bogus narratives. Being a skeptical reporter has made me a more skeptical news consumer.

What we all need, as citizens, is to develop more skill in applying our skepticism. We need to spot false narratives, and also turn aside those who would replace them with pure fiction. Either we get this right or we cease to be free citizens.

Propagandists obviously have fun (and profit from) trying to con us, the public. Why not have fun smoking them out? You can apply this advice not only in hunting for totally fake stories, but also in testing out the stories on more or less fact-based websites or traditional TV and newspapers. (Even NPR.)

In general, traditional news organizations are more reliable because their business model is to paint the clearest picture of the world that they can manage. But in the post-trust era, we know that any news source can steer you wrong at times, and they're likely all jumbled together in your news feed anyway.

So here's a finder's guide for facts:

First, take a moment. If you have time to scroll Facebook or watch the news, you probably have a moment to decide if a news story seems credible. Ask some quick questions:

Is the story so outrageous you can't believe it? Maybe you shouldn't. Respect the voice inside you that says, "What?"

Is the story so outrageous you do believe it? That's also a warning sign. Many stories play on your existing beliefs. If the story perfectly confirms your worst suspicions, look for more information.

Does the headline match the article? Many compelling headlines don't.

Does the article match the news story it's lifted from? Many sites rewrite other news articles to fit the political slant of their presumed audience. Look for links to original sources and click through and see what the original says.

Are quotes in context? Look for the sentences before and after the quote that makes your blood boil. If the article fails to give them, that's a warning sign.

Is the story set in the future? It's hard to get firsthand reporting from there. Any story that tells you what will happen should be marked down 50 percent for this reason alone.

Does the story attack a generic enemy? Vague denunciations of "Washington" or "the media" or "Trump supporters" or "the left" should be marked down 99 percent. Good reporting doesn't make these kinds of generalizations and is specific about who is making a claim about what.

Are you asked to rely on one killer factoid? Not a good idea. If a hacked document "proves" an implausible conspiracy, look for the context that shows what the document really means. As for photos and video, use Ronald Reagan's old slogan: trust but verify. If there's any doubt about a "stunning" video, see if more traditional sources link to it. They love video clicks as much as anyone. If they refrain, there may be good reason.

Who is the news source, anyway? Traditional news brands may occasionally get it wrong — sometimes hugely wrong — but at least you know where to find them and hold them accountable. Less prominent news sites might carry compelling stories — but expect them to show you who they are and where they gathered information.

Does the news source appear to employ editors? Many news organizations produce stories that are checked before publication. Others don't. It's a big deal. Hiring an editorial staff shows the publication's respect for you, and matters more than "political bias." The New York Times and the Wall Street Journal, for example, have different owners, audiences, stories, perspectives and obsessions. Both have made mistakes and omissions; but both send reporters out into the world and back them up with an editorial process that catches and corrects many errors. This means both can be informative, regardless of your politics or theirs.

Are you told, "Trust me"? Don't. It's the post-trust era! Expect everyone to show where their facts come from, link to underlying articles, and demonstrate that they've argued honestly. Here's a way they may bolster their credibility:

Did the writer engage with anyone who disagrees? Did they call a senator whose legislation bugs them? Did they try to grasp what the president-elect was doing, or merely repeat one of his more outrageous statements? If it's a broadcast interview, was the guest presented with genuine opposing views and challenged to answer? Those who wrestle with opposing arguments do you a service and often improve their own arguments.

These simple questions should take you a long way toward judging the value of a news story. While applying such questions to any given story, you can also take a few more general steps:

Broaden your palate. Make a point to check sites that do not agree with your politics. You may discover stories that are wrong — but you'll know what other people are consuming, which will sharpen your own thinking.

Be open to the idea that some falsehoods are sincerely held. In spite of all the warnings here, some inaccurate news stories grow out of haste or misinformation rather than pure cynicism. (But they're still false.)

If a news source consistently passes the tests in this guide, support it. Gathering reliable information isn't free. Helping to pay for it aligns the news source's interests with yours.

If this guide helps you to find some reliable information, that's great — but remember one more thing: Never stop looking. Learning the truth is not a goal, but a process. As a journalist, I can never express everything in the world in a single day's program. The saving grace is tomorrow's program, when we try to do a little more. It is the same for me as a news consumer: I will always be learning more.
 
what is your problem with the specific articles I have cited, you act as if the sources you don't like are always wrong about everything, and that is a pretty ridiculous position

Conservapedia is written by Phyllis Schaffly's son. Breitbart routinely publishes appalling headlines that can be classified as hate speech.

Not sure what you do for work but if I tried to make a point to my boss using a publication that was the industry equivalent to the two above, I would lose all credibility immediately.
 
Just curious NewEngland, what did you think was new in this article? I did not find much. Most of this stuff is old hat that many of us have been applying for a long, long time to mainstream media and other sources and all too often finding them wanting.

On a more personal note, here are a couple of examples of my experiences with journalists and the press:

1. When I was just out of college, I attended an event that unexpectedly turned much more newsworthy than anyone could have anticipated. The next day I was amazed at what I read in the papers about what had transpired. The reporters left out a great deal of what had happened right in front of me and thereby completely distorted the story, spun it in such a way that the newspaper stories basically falsified what had happened.

2. When I was in grad school, there was a report on a MSN about a debate in NC about the future development of certain campuses and programs in the UNC system. The report was entirely skewed, used footage from a completely different era and different place, and thoroughly misrepresented the situation. I sat there watching and thinking WTF?

3. Also while I was in grad school a major NC daily ran a story about the building of a monument in NC. From the depiction of the proposed monument it became clear to me that the statue in question was nothing but the copy of a red army memorial in Europe. Furthermore, the sculptor was being paid a huge sum of public money for this so-called "original" work of art. I gathered evidence and photographs and wrote a letter to the editor explaining the situation. About a week later, I got a very nice note thanking me for my letter and explaining that the paper just did not have enough room to print it. A few days later, the newspaper published a followup story to their original one and made many of the same points I had made in my letter. Furthermore, they plagiarized part of my letter, using exactly the same wording, in their followup story. No attribution of course.

4. My wife once submitted an idea for a series of articles to a local paper. The editor replied that they did not think such a series would be a good idea. Several months later, the same editor wrote the very same series of stories that my wife had proposed. The paper basically stole her idea.

Those are just a couple of stories. There are others.

This is the state of journalism. I have no illusions about it.
 
Conservapedia is written by Phyllis Schaffly's son. Breitbart routinely publishes appalling headlines that can be classified as hate speech.

Not sure what you do for work but if I tried to make a point to my boss using a publication that was the industry equivalent to the two above, I would lose all credibility immediately.

for example?

classified by whom and on what basis?

you may need a more open minded boss who does not so easily leap to such highly ideological and unwarranted conclusions
 
Anyone remember when the US Army's Psychological Operations Unit placed interns at CNN and NPR? But just keep regurgitating what the establishment wants you to believe. After all, that's what most of the "journalists" at the establishment outlets you people cite as gospel do. As for me, I'll look at a broad spectrum of sources and think for myself.
 
Here are some examples of Breitbarts's headlines/lies/hate:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/breitbart-headlines_us_5829ba13e4b060adb56f1bdb

http://money.cnn.com/2016/11/14/media/breitbart-incendiary-headlines/

http://www.rawstory.com/2016/11/her...es-signed-off-by-trumps-new-chief-strategist/

Here are some headlines:

"Would you rather your Child had feminism or Cancer"
"Muslims demand polygamy in response to same sex unions"
"How did Huma Abedin get security clearance 'Given very clear ties to a radical offshoot of Islam"
"World Health Organization : Trannies 49X higher rate of HIV"

Here's what the Southern Poverty Law Center says about Breitbart:

https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch...-trumps-appointment-breitbarts-stephen-bannon
 
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