First Charges Filed in Mueller Investigation

MichDeac25 said:
If the jail time/terms of the plea deal are not put on the record at this point, I'd think cooperation is still on the table to negotiate jail time.
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I mean he's already directly implicating Trump in a criminal conspiracy.
 
That sounds logical counselor.

Also, wouldn't it be logical to put the charges out there for potential targets to see?
 
From the updated NYT article on Cohen's plea deal:

"The plea agreement does not call for Mr. Cohen to cooperate with federal prosecutors in Manhattan, but it does not preclude him from providing information to the special counsel, Robert S. Mueller III, who is examining the Trump campaign’s possible involvement in Russia’s interference in the 2016 campaign.

If Mr. Cohen were to substantially assist the special counsel’s investigation, Mr. Mueller could recommend a reduction in his sentence."
 
I also wonder if the guilty plea essentially renders any potential pardon ineffective. I don't know this. But I wonder if this is a means of garnering even more favor with the Special Counsel.
 
It sounds to me like Cohen pleaded guilty to an information, as opposed to an indictment. If so, he has some kind of plea agreement. He also has plenty of room to provide additional information in seeking a downward departure from the agreement he has.

This day is a disaster for Trump and his clarion call of rigged witch hunt. Can you imagine what Fox, Guiliani, et al. would be saying had Manafort been acquitted? Not to mention Lectro and Moonz!
 
Tibbets murderer was an illegal? Trump wins this news cycle. Amazing.
 
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Trump fuckin lost this day. After Cohen's plea to campaign finance violations, which were done at the behest of "the candidate", the "Make America Great Again" President is now an unindicted coconspirator. Not a great place to be.
 
Foxnews is going to be all mollie tibbetts for at least 72 hours
 
What else would you lead with? The breaking news that rich people cheat on their taxes?
 
I have a question for the lawyers; if Mueller decides to retry Manafort on the counts that were hung, will it automatically happen before Judge Ellis or could it be in another court?
 
My question on the campaign finance issue is did they get caught using funds they weren't allowed to in order to pay off the pornstar, presumably because Trump is a cheap bastard?

Or are they arguing that the act of Trump himself paying off a pornstar constitutes a violation as it helped his campaign? (A stupider charge)
 
Does any of the Manafort convictions have Russian collusion implications, or are they saving that for the next trial?
 
palmab03 said:
My question on the campaign finance issue is did they get caught using funds they weren't allowed to in order to pay off the pornstar, presumably because Trump is a cheap bastard?

Or are they arguing that the act of Trump himself paying off a pornstar constitutes a violation as it helped his campaign? (A stupider charge)
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I think it was Trump's personal cash, but since it was in the lead up to the election it impacted the campaign which cause the violation, but who knows?
 
question...has anyone ever been pardoned twice? it Trump pardons Manafort, can Mueller retry the last 10 counts? could Trump pardon again?

silly question but just wondering.
 
WFcatamount22 said:
I think it was Trump's personal cash, but since it was in the lead up to the election it impacted the campaign which cause the violation, but who knows?
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It's both. And not sure why they are "stupid charges". Recall that at least as to Stormy, Cohen paid her through Essential Consultants LLC, and was then repaid by Trump. It was all a means to obscure what was really going on.
 
BirdinBama said:
Trump fuckin lost this day. After Cohen's plea to campaign finance violations, which were done at the behest of "the candidate", the "Make America Great Again" President is now an unindicted coconspirator. Not a great place to be.
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