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Unofficial “Please Don’t Turn Out to be Creeps Too” List of Famous People

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I think she need to flip the last two works.
 
I had to ruminate on that far longer than I should have needed to.
 
 
daaberry said:
The Aziz story doesn't seem to fit in w/ the rest of them. She approached him to swap #s. She went to dinner w/ him. She willingly went back to his place. She allowed him to eat her out. She then sucked him off. Now after all that she found it weird that he was expecting to fuck?
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Very difficult to believe that you actually read her story and came away with that synopsis. He repeatedly forced himself on her, physically and verbally pressuring her to have sex and she kept rejecting his advances until she was so uncomfortable that she left, and she cried on the way home. She then confronted him about it the very next time he texted her.
 
Both of those takes are true.
 
and the fact that she gave him an hesitant, unmotivated blow job after he had been pressuring her to ha e sex, is about the oldest dating scenario in history. You could probably go to egypt and find the same story in hieroglyphics of some woman being pressured to give a dude a blowjob because she wont have sex with him
 
myDeaconmyhand said:
and the fact that she gave him an hesitant, unmotivated blow job after he had been pressuring her to ha e sex, is about the oldest dating scenario in history. You could probably go to egypt and find the same story in hieroglyphics of some woman being pressured to give a dude a blowjob because she wont have sex with him
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you seems extremely confident in some details that would seem speculative, at best
 
Dissoi logoi: https://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2018/01/the-humiliation-of-aziz-ansari/550541/

Was Grace frozen, terrified, stuck? No. She tells us that she wanted something from Ansari and that she was trying to figure out how to get it. She wanted affection, kindness, attention. Perhaps she hoped to maybe even become the famous man’s girlfriend. He wasn’t interested. What she felt afterward—rejected yet another time, by yet another man—was regret. And what she and the writer who told her story created was 3,000 words of revenge porn. The clinical detail in which the story is told is intended not to validate her account as much as it is to hurt and humiliate Ansari. Togethe, the two women may have destroyed Ansari’s career, which is now the punishment for every kind of male sexual misconduct, from the grotesque to the disappointing.
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Some solid victim-shaming and generational attacks in that Atlantic article, with a race-baiting ploy thrown in at the end. 10/10
 
NYT op: Aziz Ansari Is Guilty. Of Not Being a Mind Reader.

The single most distressing thing to me about Grace’s story is that the only person with any agency in the story seems to be Aziz Ansari. Grace is merely acted upon.

All of this put me in mind of another piece published this weekend, this one by the novelist and feminist icon Margaret Atwood. “My fundamental position is that women are human beings,” she writes. “Nor do I believe that women are children, incapable of agency or of making moral decisions. If they were, we’re back to the 19th century, and women should not own property, have credit cards, have access to higher education, control their own reproduction or vote. There are powerful groups in North America pushing this agenda, but they are not usually considered feminists.”
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It's a 3rd wave vs. 2nd wave showdown!
 
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An Emmy after party is probably not the best place to find true love.
 
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well, this sort of thing was bound to happen. really hate that it involves Ansari but here we are.
 
ImTheCaptain said:
well, this sort of thing was bound to happen. really hate that it involves Ansari but here we are.
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Maybe the metoo movement should establish some guidelines. Most everyone, including us guys, have had regretful sexual encounters. To me, what the movement is really about is workplace sexual harassment where you have someone higher than you in your food chain making unwanted sexual advances. It's not a bad date. It's do I lose this job if I refuse this man's advances. I was listening to a BBC interview with Ashley Judd the other day. When she refused Weinstein's advances, he blackballed her and cost her many millions of dollars. She ended up doing a lot of volunteer work and has made chicken soup out of chicken shite - she has a really cool story. But if this thing descends into a bunch of bad sex stories like this 1, it's really going to harm and minimize the movement.
 
cville deac said:
Maybe the metoo movement should establish some guidelines. Most everyone, including us guys, have had regretful sexual encounters. To me, what the movement is really about is workplace sexual harassment where you have someone higher than you in your food chain making unwanted sexual advances. It's not a bad date. It's do I lose this job if I refuse this man's advances. I was listening to a BBC interview with Ashley Judd the other day. When she refused Weinstein's advances, he blackballed her and cost her many millions of dollars. She ended up doing a lot of volunteer work and has made chicken soup out of chicken shite - she has a really cool story. But if this thing descends into a bunch of bad sex stories like this 1, it's really going to harm and minimize the movement.
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I heard an NPR interview the other day that said that proponents of the movement from other countries -- Scandinavian, I think -- were pushing for exactly the kind of clearer guidelines you're looking for here.
 
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