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The ACC - 2018-19 Basketball

DeacsATS said:
I have to think Battle is gone. He got an invite to the NBA Draft Combine and he's shown up in the first round of some recent mock drafts (nbadraft.net not withstanding).

Biggest question marks for me are Okogie, Bowman, and Crawford.
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I like Battle's game. Now I don't follow the NBA as much, but are Okogie and Crawford even remotely considered 1st round picks? I don't see it.
 
cville deac said:
I like Battle's game. Now I don't follow the NBA as much, but are Okogie and Crawford even remotely considered 1st round picks? I don't see it.
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No.

Still haven't seen confirmation that Okogie received a NBA combine invite... If he didn't, I'd assume he's not on anyone's radar for 1st round (or perhaps even to get drafted at all).
 
DeacsATS said:
I have to think Battle is gone. He got an invite to the NBA Draft Combine and he's shown up in the first round of some recent mock drafts (nbadraft.net not withstanding).

Biggest question marks for me are Okogie, Bowman, and Crawford.
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The other question about Crawford is has he been at Wake and going to class this spring. If he hasn't been taking care of the academics, he won't be able to play for Wake next season
 
DeacsATS said:
NCSU & Auburn playing a home and home the next 2 years (2018 & 19).

Struggling to come up w/ a name for the series...

Improper Benefits Benefit?
Coaches vs. Ethics Classic?
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Cowee Invitational
 
CharlotteDeac1 said:
It's pretty interesting to look at some of the newer coaches in the ACC that are having relatively quick success and see how they did it. Both Buzz and Keatts are moving in the right direction, and they started off their tenures going the transfer route. Seems to me this may be the new way to revitalize a program - getting experienced guys to bring you success early in your new coaching job to sell to recruits. Building from the ground up by going after new recruits/incoming freshman seems like a much riskier play.
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Manning inherited a team with two junior starters so he had experience. He still took a grad transfer.

He took one transfer a year his first four years. Leonard, Woods, Arians, and Thompson.
 
2017 ACC Top 100 (24/7 Composite) - Freshmen Stats

#1 - Marvin Bagley (Duke) - 33.8 mpg / 21.0 ppg / 11.1 rpg / 1.5 apg - NBA
#6 - Trevon Duval (Duke) - 29.7 mpg / 10.3/2.0/5.6 - NBA
#7 - Wendell Carter (Duke) - 26.8 mpg / 13.5/9.1/2.0 - NBA
#16 - Lonnie Walker (Miami) - 27.8 mpg / 11.5/2.6/1.9 - NBA
#17 - Gary Trent Jr (Duke) - 33.8 mpg / 14.5/4.2/1.4 - NBA
#27 - Malik Williams (Louisville) - 10.6 mpg / 3.8/2.4/0.2
#28 - MJ Walker (FSU) - 19.1 mpg / 7.0/1.7/1.1
#30 - Jalek Felton (UNC) - 9.7 mpg / 2.9/0.9/1.6 - TRANSFER/KICKED OFF TEAM
#36 - Chaundee Brown (Wake) - 20.9 mpg / 7.6/3.0/1.1
#40 - Nickeil Alexander-Walker (VT) - 25.5 mpg / 10.7/3.8/1.5
#49 - DJ Harvey (ND) - 18.2 mpg / 5.8/2.9/0.6
#63 - Ike Obiagu (FSU) - 10.7 mpg / 2.3/2.6/0.1 - TRANSFER
#64 - Chris Lykes (Miami) - 21.6 mpg / 9.6/1.2/2.3
#68 - Alex O'Connell (Duke) - 10.5 mpg / 3.3/1.4/0.5
#70 - Wabissa Bede (VT) - 8.3 mpg / 2.5/0.9/0.8
#72 - Darius Perry (Louisville) - 14.3 mpg /3.9/1.2/1.5
#82 - Jordan Tucker (Duke) - 7.0 mpg / 3.0/0.5/0.0
#88 - Jordan Nwora (Louisville) - 12.0 mpg / 5.7/2.2/0.4
#99 - Lavar Batts (NCSU) - 13.2 mpg / 3.7/1.2/1.5

Top returners by minutes:
Alexander-Walker (VT) - 25.5
Lykes (MIA) - 21.6
Brown (WF) - 20.9
Walker (FSU) - 19.1
Harvey (ND) - 18.2

Top returners by points per game:
Alexander-Walker (VT) - 10.7
Lykes (MIA) - 9.6
Brown (WF) - 7.6
Walker (FSU) - 7.0
Harvey (ND) - 5.8

I had looked at guys outside the Top 100 in the recruiting thread... Thought this was a better thread for looking at the Top 100 (and who is coming back next season).

Would expect the Top 5 returning players (same 5 on both lists - MPG/PPG) to all make a leap next year, as they assume larger roles.
 
For reference, here are the Top 100 from 2016

#2 - Harry Giles (Duke) - NBA
#4 - Jayson Tatum (Duke) - NBA
#7 - Dennis Smith Jr (NCSU) - NBA
#8 - Jonathan Isaac (FSU) - NBA
#13 - Frank Jackson (Duke) - NBA
#14 - Marques Bolden (Duke)
#24 - VJ King (Louisville)
#25 - Tony Bradley (UNC) - NBA
#27 - Dewan Huell (Miami) - NBA Draft after Sophomore Year - Testing the waters (likely back)
#28 - Bruce Brown (Miami) - NBA Draft after Sophomore Year - Hired an agent
#34 - Tyus Battle (Syracuse) - NBA Draft after Sophomore Year - Likely gone
#37 - Kyle Guy (UVA)
#39 - Javin DeLaurier (Duke)
#44 - Ty Jerome (UVA)
#48 - Seventh Woods (UNC)
#55 - Omer Yurtseven (NCSU)
#57 - Jay Huff (UVA)
#58 - Markell Johnson (NCSU)
#60 - Brandon Robinson (UNC)
#66 - Matthew Moyer (Syracuse) - TRANSFER
#70 - Trent Forrest (FSU)
#74 - Taurean Thompson (Syracuse) - TRANSFER after Freshman Year - Seton Hall
#84 - Ted Kapita (NCSU) - Went Pro after Freshman Year - Congo
#88 - TJ Gibbs (ND)
#91 - De'Andre Hunter (UVA)
 
Of those players that have played 2 seasons of ACC basketball, here are there statistics for each year:

#14 - Marques Bolden (Duke)
6.5mpg - 1.5 ppg/1.1 rpg/0.1 apg
13.0 - 3.9/3.6/0.6

#24 - VJ King (Louisville)
13.5 - 5.5/2.1/0.5
25.4 - 8.6/3.3/0.9

#27 - Dewan Huell (Miami) - NBA Draft after Sophomore Year - Testing the waters (likely back)
17.4 - 5.8/3.1/0.2
25.8 - 11.4/6.7/0.4

#28 - Bruce Brown (Miami) - NBA Draft after Sophomore Year
31.9 - 11.8/5.6/3.2
33.7 - 11.4/7.1/4.0

#34 - Tyus Battle (Syracuse) - NBA Draft after Sophomore Year
30.7 - 11.3/2.1/1.7
39.0 - 19.2/2.9/2.1

#37 - Kyle Guy (UVA)
18.6 - 7.5/1.7/1.3
32.4 - 14.1/2.6/1.5

#39 - Javin DeLaurier (Duke)
7.2 - 1.6/1.9/0.1
12.8 - 3.4/4.0/0.5

#44 - Ty Jerome (UVA)
13.9 - 4.3/1.6/1.5
30.8 - 10.6/3.1/3.9

#48 - Seventh Woods (UNC)
7.7 - 1.5/1.4/1.2
7.0 - 1.1/0.7/1.0

#55 - Omer Yurtseven (NCSU) - TRANSFER
18.9 - 5.9/4.4/1.2
23.8 - 13.5/6.7/0.5

#57 - Jay Huff (UVA)
Redshirt
8.8 - 3.4/1.9/0.3

#58 - Markell Johnson (NCSU)
20.4 - 4.0/1.6/2.3
29.1 - 8.9/3.4/7.3

#60 - Brandon Robinson (UNC)
7.8 - 1.9/1.2/0.8
8.6 - 1.7/1.4/0.6

#66 - Matthew Moyer (Syracuse) - TRANSFER
Redshirt
16.8 - 3.2/3.4/0.5

#70 - Trent Forrest (FSU)
15.4 - 4.9/2.7/1.6
25.6 - 7.8/4.9/4.1

#88 - TJ Gibbs (ND)
15.0 - 4.7/1.5/1.7
37.4 - 15.3/2.8/3.0

#91 - De'Andre Hunter (UVA)
Redshirt
19.9 - 9.2/3.5/1.1

The takeaway, for me, is that the only way you don't put up significantly better numbers in Year 2 (vs. Year 1) is if you go to Duke or UNC.

I mean the improvement from Gibbs at ND was ridiculous. Also saw dramatic improvement from: Dewan Huell, Tyus Battle, Kyle Guy, Ty Jerome, Omer Yurtseven, Markell Johnson, & Trent Forrest.

The only players that actually regressed were Seventh Woods & Brandon Robinson (both of UNC).
 
12/5/2 from Chaundee would be nice, assuming Crawford can do 17/3/5 and that they both start in the backcourt we are looking at 29/8/7. Plus Hoard/Mucius/Sarr the starting 5 could give us 60/21/12 a night, which isn't bad. Not saying we will be good but the starting 5 will save us from being Pitt.
 
The key for Crawford is not numbers (he will put up numbers); it's attitude and confidence. If he plays his senior year like he wishes he could be anywhere else in the world (as he projected last season), next season will look like last season regardless of his numbers. Hopefully, he plays next year determined to prove that last year was an aberration.
 
netflixnchildres said:
12/5/2 from Chaundee would be nice, assuming Crawford can do 17/3/5 and that they both start in the backcourt we are looking at 29/8/7. Plus Hoard/Mucius/Sarr the starting 5 could give us 60/21/12 a night, which isn't bad. Not saying we will be good but the starting 5 will save us from being Pitt.
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Yeah, I think if Crawford stays the key to the season is whether or not Sarr makes enough of a leap to where he can play the 5 for 20-25 minutes a game.

To a lesser extent, it also matters how much Melo/Mucius can give us... If one of them contributes, that would be huge.

Without diving into minutes projections (yet), give me a starting 5 of Crawford/Chill/Brown/Hoard/Sarr... With Johnson/Smart/Melo/Mucius/Okeke off the bench. Still looks like a very thin bench, so I am hoping that Manning keeps his best players on the floor as much as possible.
 
DeacsATS said:
Yeah, I think if Crawford stays the key to the season is whether or not Sarr makes enough of a leap to where he can play the 5 for 20-25 minutes a game.

To a lesser extent, it also matters how much Melo/Mucius can give us... If one of them contributes, that would be huge.

Without diving into minutes projections (yet), give me a starting 5 of Crawford/Chill/Brown/Hoard/Sarr... With Johnson/Smart/Melo/Mucius/Okeke off the bench. Still looks like a very thin bench, so I am hoping that Manning keeps his best players on the floor as much as possible.
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IMHO, one of Johnson, Melo or Mucius will probably be starting. No scoop. Just that without any reports that Crawford has been on campus and attending to his education, I don't see him at Wake in the fall.
 
netflixnchildres said:
Absence of evidence is not evidence.
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The only bit of evidence is Crawford's statement that he was putting his name in the NBA draft. He hasn't taken it out as of this message. He hasn't been reported as seen on campus. Until there are some reports of him properly attending to academics this spring, I'm not counting on him for fall.
 
DeacsATS said:
2017 ACC Top 100 (24/7 Composite) - Freshmen Stats

#1 - Marvin Bagley (Duke) - 33.8 mpg / 21.0 ppg / 11.1 rpg / 1.5 apg - NBA
#6 - Trevon Duval (Duke) - 29.7 mpg / 10.3/2.0/5.6 - NBA
#7 - Wendell Carter (Duke) - 26.8 mpg / 13.5/9.1/2.0 - NBA
#16 - Lonnie Walker (Miami) - 27.8 mpg / 11.5/2.6/1.9 - NBA
#17 - Gary Trent Jr (Duke) - 33.8 mpg / 14.5/4.2/1.4 - NBA
#27 - Malik Williams (Louisville) - 10.6 mpg / 3.8/2.4/0.2
#28 - MJ Walker (FSU) - 19.1 mpg / 7.0/1.7/1.1
#30 - Jalek Felton (UNC) - 9.7 mpg / 2.9/0.9/1.6 - TRANSFER/KICKED OFF TEAM
#36 - Chaundee Brown (Wake) - 20.9 mpg / 7.6/3.0/1.1
#40 - Nickeil Alexander-Walker (VT) - 25.5 mpg / 10.7/3.8/1.5
#49 - DJ Harvey (ND) - 18.2 mpg / 5.8/2.9/0.6
#63 - Ike Obiagu (FSU) - 10.7 mpg / 2.3/2.6/0.1 - TRANSFER
#64 - Chris Lykes (Miami) - 21.6 mpg / 9.6/1.2/2.3
#68 - Alex O'Connell (Duke) - 10.5 mpg / 3.3/1.4/0.5
#70 - Wabissa Bede (VT) - 8.3 mpg / 2.5/0.9/0.8
#72 - Darius Perry (Louisville) - 14.3 mpg /3.9/1.2/1.5
#82 - Jordan Tucker (Duke) - 7.0 mpg / 3.0/0.5/0.0
#88 - Jordan Nwora (Louisville) - 12.0 mpg / 5.7/2.2/0.4
#99 - Lavar Batts (NCSU) - 13.2 mpg / 3.7/1.2/1.5

Top returners by minutes:
Alexander-Walker (VT) - 25.5
Lykes (MIA) - 21.6
Brown (WF) - 20.9
Walker (FSU) - 19.1
Harvey (ND) - 18.2

Top returners by points per game:
Alexander-Walker (VT) - 10.7
Lykes (MIA) - 9.6
Brown (WF) - 7.6
Walker (FSU) - 7.0
Harvey (ND) - 5.8

I had looked at guys outside the Top 100 in the recruiting thread... Thought this was a better thread for looking at the Top 100 (and who is coming back next season).

Would expect the Top 5 returning players (same 5 on both lists - MPG/PPG) to all make a leap next year, as they assume larger roles.
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I'm assuming Jose Alvarado did not make the list because he broke his elbow in February? He will be the top returning sophomore in the league - was averaging 12.1/3.7/3.0 with over 1spg and shooting 37% from 3 and playing 35mpg.
 
vadimivich said:
I'm assuming Jose Alvarado did not make the list because he broke his elbow in February? He will be the top returning sophomore in the league - was averaging 12.1/3.7/3.0 with over 1spg and shooting 37% from 3 and playing 35mpg.
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He wasn't on the list because he wasn't top 100 out of HS, but he obviously outplayed his ranking.
 
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