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2021 Republican Coup (Practice Run)

She is not the reason the guard was delayed being called out for emergency response when the riot actually started. She is part of the reason that they were not there before the riot started. Probably, at the time, it was beyond belief that they would actually try and storm the capitol to kidnap and Pelosi and Pence. She was pretty naive, I guess, but Tuesday of last week was an innocent time. In her defense though, There were people out there say this whole thing is just the same as that time Barbra Boxer delayed Senate proceedings for an hour. Who knew the president would attempt a coup?

To be fair, millions of people knew that. People have been shouting about his dangerous rhetoric since the very beginning. This was the same bullshit folks were afraid of if Clinton had won. A spoiled brat who has thrown tantrums over not getting his way for three quarters of a century now has millions of rubes willing to give their lives for his happiness. I suspect that the truth is more complicated, but anyone unprepared for Mountain Dew fueled larpers getting violent definitely has culpability. Assholes like these tried to kidnap the governor of Michigan just a few months ago. The fact that they can parade around in their grownup Halloween costumes carrying their guns without the NG on standby is perhaps the most powerful testament to white privilege ever.
 
To be fair, millions of people knew that. People have been shouting about his dangerous rhetoric since the very beginning. This was the same bullshit folks were afraid of if Clinton had won. A spoiled brat who has thrown tantrums over not getting his way for three quarters of a century now has millions of rubes willing to give their lives for his happiness. I suspect that the truth is more complicated, but anyone unprepared for Mountain Dew fueled larpers getting violent definitely has culpability. Assholes like these tried to kidnap the governor of Michigan just a few months ago. The fact that they can parade around in their grownup Halloween costumes carrying their guns without the NG on standby is perhaps the most powerful testament to white privilege ever.

Sure, but Junebored has been the loudest voice on these boards proclaiming that this all amounted to the same thing that Boxer did in 04/05...so my post is pointing out his hypocritical bullshit.
 
On realclearpolitics many of the right-wing articles have adopted a new strategy. After making a few sad comments about the insurrection (along with the inevitable swipes at "hypocritical" Democrats for defending the "lawless BLM riots that caused far more property damage" while currently criticizing the Capitol Hill rioters), they give dire warnings about a "far greater" danger to the Republic, which is Big Tech censoring and banning Trump from Twitter, Facebook, and other social media. Apparently the "unfortunate" attack on the Capitol has paved the way for LibDems to begin their final assault on Freedom of Speech and Freedom of the Press by banning all conservatives from their precious Twitter, Facebook, and other social media accounts, which they are surely entitled to as Real American citizens, dammit! We just can't let our birthright to say any crap whatsoever, no matter how false or malicious or threatening or incendiary, be taken away by private corporations which possess every legal right to regulate the content on their platforms! Just forget about this clear coup attempt on our nation's capital and government - we're getting banned from Twitter and that is far more serious!


Republican “leaders” completely own this shit.

For years they’ve sought and maintained power by dishonest fear mongering. This is where it leads their deluded base.
 
You know that this limitation on the role of the guardsmen was requested by Bowser, right? She didn’t like the optics of having armed guardsmen interacting with the public, as had been done over the summer, so they were relegated to logistics, like traffic control.

Wrong as usual.
 
Uh, yes. Did you see me say otherwise?

Sure sounds like you don’t want to see Trump punished.

Again, never supported Dump, never voted for Dump. Growing up in NYC I knew his reputation of deceit, lack of integrity and dishonesty.
So....while I'm glad his sorry ass is leaving in 12 days I have to ask myself the question as many are. Does trying to impeach his ass this late in the game do more harm than good?
I'm leaning on the side best to not to. While what he did Wednesday is definitely an impeachable offense, there's little to gain so late in the game and will divide rather than unite.
Sure it would pass in the House but do we really need to have Senators debating this point when there are so many issues they need to move on?
The faster we put these 4 years behind us, the better we'll all be.
 
I've always been willing to paid big bucks to have been at Hyannis Port when Maria Shriver brought home the steroid enhanced, conservative Arnold to meet Rose Kennedy and the rest of the family.
 
Sure sounds like you don’t want to see Trump punished.

Read my words....carefully.
The offense was impeachable. Personally, I wouldn't be against any punishment given. My question; would it be good for the Country in the time frame given?
In days following since my post, I have heard both sides.
With only days remaining, I'm still on the fence but leaning toward that an example should be made of his behavior, even if it turns out to be only symbolic.
I understand the sentiment here of hanging and disemboweling the SOB but I still believe it's a debatable point.
 
Now that Democrats are about to assume the offices of POTUS and VP, it's nice to see that conservative media is back to covering the really important things about our leaders, like their fashion style, or supposed lack thereof. Less than a week after Trumpites tried to overthrow the government, Fox News has a story today about how the latest Vogue cover of Kamala Harris has sparked a "social media frenzy" and been "widely criticized" for her lack of clothing style and the "washed out" look of the photo. The horror! I mean, which is worse, Trump's coup attempt or Obama wearing a tan suit? Pence believing in the benefits of gay conversion therapy or Kamala wearing sneakers in a magazine cover photo? History will decide, I guess.
 

Of course. It's been building for years, and Trump's defeat and the attack on the Capitol have likely emboldened these people more than ever before. If they think they can get away with it, they'll just escalate and be even bolder and push it more to the extreme next time. The Capitol Police are likely going to have to be overhauled and greatly augmented if something like this is to be prevented again, as will security details at the WH, Supreme Court, and probably some other government buildings. The first clue will be what happens on January 19 & 20 at the inaugural. I do think the security will be far tighter and vastly larger, but if thousands (or even just hundreds) of MAGAts show up again it could get ugly on DC streets.
 

Start of video: "Our loyalty should be to the country, not to a President"
End of video: "Pledge our loyalty to President-elect Biden!"
I don't expect Biden to deviate far from "the good of the country" but Arnie probably should have planned out that speech a little better.
 
Sure, but Junebored has been the loudest voice on these boards proclaiming that this all amounted to the same thing that Boxer did in 04/05...so my post is pointing out his hypocritical bullshit.

I will be the first to admit that I did not foresee what happened at the Capitol on 1/6. I thought we might have a bunch of MAGA types walk over to the Capitol, chant a little bit, maybe get rowdy and turn over some trash cans, and that would be it. Never in my wildest imagination did I think you'd have a breach of Capitol security by individuals with a clear intent to capture or kill Pence, Pelosi, Schumer, or anyone else they could get their hands on.

I was obviously wrong.

However, I have a day job that does not involve making plans to keep the peace. For that reason, I do not have access to the intelligence that our elected officials do. Based on the many articles I have read about this incident, there was clear evidence on social media that something serious was going to happen on 1/6, and our intelligence community was keenly aware of this. I think it is safe to assume that this intelligence was shared with the people who were in charge of planning for the event, including Bowser. Yet despite this intelligence, she decided the best course of action was to have a relatively light show of force, in part, because she didn't like the optics of having armed national guardsmen be in charge of crowd control.

Because I did not have the information the people in charge did, I can be critical of them despite the fact I did not foresee this event. For example, I did not foresee 9/11, but I can be critical of W because he had access to intelligence information from August 2001 giving clues that something big was going to happen.

As to your other point, I agree that Bowser was not responsible for the delay in getting the guardsmen on the ground. When the shit hit the fan, she requested that additional guardsmen be deployed. There were delays in that happening. As I understand things, the cause of those delays is not clear. At least one article I have read has suggested that the delay was caused because approvals were needed all the way up the chain because of the mission change from logistics to armed support. I have also read articles suggesting that the delays were attributable to Trump's intentional actions and that, in the end, Pence actually stepped in and gave the order. I don't think we fully know exactly why the delay occurred or why it was so long. In any event, Bowser was not responsible for that delay.

The entire reason I started posting about the security issues on was because of the suggestion that the lack of force was somehow race-based. Over the summer, you had armed guardsmen on the stairs of the Lincoln Memorial during the BLM marches whereas here the guardsmen were relegated to logistics, so people were arguing that this disparate treatment was racist. That's hogwash. The reason for the relatively light show of force here was because Bowser didn't like the optics of having armed guardsmen interacting with the public. Whether she was right or wrong is a discussion for another thread, but that decision was not the product of racial animus.

Finally, I think you know that it is unfair to characterize my position as "this all amounted to the same thing that Boxer did in 04/05." My position, prior to the events of 1/6, was that Pubs' challenge to the certification--which I disagreed with--was similar to Dems' challenge to the certification in 2001, 2005, and 2017. I had hoped that pointing out Dems had previously challenged the certification of Pub electoral victories would cause people to think a little more critically about what was going on. Pub congresspeople, for example, aren't "seditious" for claiming--in an obvious stunt--that Congress should audit the vote, or at least no more so than the Dem congresspeople who challenged--in an obvious stunt--the certification of Pub presidential victories in 2001, 2005, or 2017. Whataboutism can an effective rhetorical device where, as here, the differences are in degree, and not in kind.

I stand behind that view. Where I was wrong was in failing to see that Trump was priming the pump with his incessant drumbeat of "fraud"--despite being unable to produce any evidence of such--and continually giving his supporters the false hope that the result could be changed, which, ultimately, culminated in the (actually) seditious act of inciting his supporters to storm the Capitol. I will confess to, apparently, having a blind spot for the effect Trump has on his base. Until Wednesday, I thought almost all Trump voters thought "yeah, he's an idiot, and he says offensive things, but I'm voting for him because he's better than Crooked Hillary and Sleepy Socialist Joe." I still think the vast majority of Trump voters think that way, but I never would have thought he'd have so many people who would actually be willing to take the (actually) seditious act of storming the Capitol for him or, if the polls are correct, that there would be so many people in the general population who don't have a problem with the storming of the Capitol. The only potentially saving grace is that populism often dies with the leader, and Congress has an opportunity to kill Trump's political life through impeachment and, failing that, he'll be 78 in 2024.
 
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