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Armstrong to Admit Doping on Oprah

TWDeac said:
How do you think the young American guy, Tejay, is going to do in the future?
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He's got a chance to be very, very good - winning the young rider competition at both the Tour de France and Paris-Nice stage races shows he has some serious Grand Tour chops already. It's helps he's on a strong, well organized team. So many young cyclists end up in bad team situations and just disappear.
 
As real as BSD's love for John Edwards. Legit.
 
I saw parts of the interview. I thought the most interesting part was that he had no fear of getting caught. This is where we were/are in sports. You can use PEDs for years with no fear of getting caught.
 
I am still unclear on how so many other riders got caught and he didn't... Did he address that at all?
 
myDeaconmyhand said:
I still don't think he did it.
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lbE08 said:
...don't think he did what? doped?




are you high?
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palmab03 said:
women and sarcasm are so cute together
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I'd be interested to know exactly how the tests are conducted.

I highly doubt he's telling the truth about everything now (total coincidence he didn't dope at any point that wouldn't be past a statute of limitations, I'm sure); but if he was legitimately not concerned about getting caught... I have to wear a tin-foil hat and wonder how.

With the money/resources a top athlete has... is it totally outlandish to think a guy like Ferrari (the trainer) has thought outside-the-box to beat drug tests? I would have to think it would be possible to do some crazy stuff I haven't heard mentioned.
 
I'll bite. Next to who?
 
vtwhat etc said:
With the money/resources a top athlete has... is it totally outlandish to think a guy like Ferrari (the trainer) has thought outside-the-box to beat drug tests? I would have to think it would be possible to do some crazy stuff I haven't heard mentioned.
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Or just find a new PED that isn't tested. See EPO, it was not even tested when Lance first started winning the TDF.

The two biggest issues with his interview (or two of the biggest).

- His assertion that he wasn't caught because all his usage was out of competition, but it's contradicted by Hamiliton
- While he admits to being a bully, he denies that he ever told teammates they needed to dope if they wanted to be on the team (or probably more specifically ride the tour). He says his problem is that he wanted to control everything. So it's hard to believe, when riders have said he pushed them to dope, that Lance would allow his team to be less than they could be without doping. If he believed he needed to dope to win, I'm sure he believed the guys that were supposed to help him needed to dope as well.
 
Deac83 said:
Or just find a new PED that isn't tested. See EPO, it was not even tested when Lance first started winning the TDF.

The two biggest issues with his interview (or two of the biggest).

- His assertion that he wasn't caught because all his usage was out of competition, but it's contradicted by Hamiliton
- While he admits to being a bully, he denies that he ever told teammates they needed to dope if they wanted to be on the team (or probably more specifically ride the tour). He says his problem is that he wanted to control everything. So it's hard to believe, when riders have said he pushed them to dope, that Lance would allow his team to be less than they could be without doping. If he believed he needed to dope to win, I'm sure he believed the guys that were supposed to help him needed to dope as well.
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i took his explanation to mean that they were basically expected to dope ("we expect a certain level of performance [that is basically only achievable by doping]"), but never directly told they had to. i DO think he made a good point that 'they could have joined another team.' these were grown men, and as much as lance was a bully, they let him bully them.
 
lbE08 said:
i took his explanation to mean that they were basically expected to dope ("we expect a certain level of performance [that is basically only achievable by doping]"), but never directly told they had to. i DO think he made a good point that 'they could have joined another team.' these were grown men, and as much as lance was a bully, they let him bully them.
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So its it the 'semantics' Oprah failed to push on? In order to perform at the level needed you needed to dope, so even if Lance doesn't say 'you need to dope', by saying you need a level of performance that can't be reached with out doping is essentially the same thing. Of course he has others claiming that he did tell them they needed to dope.

Also, glossed over was Lances TDF doping ratio, 5 of 200 clean in the TDF 'the real hero's', while I'm sure he was not pulling out exact numbers, he also didn't way 50-50, 60-40, he either pulled out a self serving ratio to prove 'everyone dopes' (i.e. not naming names or talking about others, uh sure) or again it's a contradiction to think he would have to tell anyone to dope in cycling. If 98% of the riders were doping at the time, why would he have any reason to tell anyone they needed to dope to compete on his team. I'd think he wouldn't have to tell them to dope, he'd just say 'are you just stupid?'.

While Oprah did an ok job on the interview. She definitely doesn't have the chops to keep drilling into his responses. I think she asked reasonable questions but, I don't think she is/was capable of chasing down the finer points of the story she need to.

I did find it amusing that she was basically calling Lance a 'jerk' by the end of the interview and Lance just had to accept it and take it.
 
Deac83 said:
So its it the 'semantics' Oprah failed to push on? In order to perform at the level needed you needed to dope, so even if Lance doesn't say 'you need to dope', by saying you need a level of performance that can't be reached with out doping is essentially the same thing. Of course he has others claiming that he did tell them they needed to dope.
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I think the others claiming Lance told them they had to dope is a way of protecting themselves.

To race bicycles at the highest level, you had to dope. Period. There simply weren't "clean" people in those peletons.
 
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