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NC Legislature: fire members of key panels, allow McCrory to replace

Its hilarious to see a party that dominated the State for one hundred years bitch and moan about losing power like a bunch of crybabies.

You've had your time. Its the R's turn. Deal with it.
 
I wouldn't have a problem with it if they weren't acting like they haven't had power before. They are overstepping in radical fashion.
 
WFFaithful said:
51% of the house vote was democratic, yet democrats only hold 30.7% of the house seats. The 2010 republican takeover had dire consequences.

The removal of over $1.5 billion from the NC economy in the past two weeks is a great place to start.
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You'd think if that were true, there would be evidence, citation or more likely both. Another bizarre post.
 
Voters voted for crazy ass Republican government in NC. We should get crazy ass Republican government. Just don't like the gerrymanders because we should be able to reject crazy ass Republican government if we find we don't like it.
 
WFFaithful said:
http://www.newsobserver.com/2013/02/10/2669241/senate-plan-to-cut-12-judges-sweep.html#wgt=rcntnews

"The reason is that some House Republicans might have a problem with a provision in the bill to eliminate 12 special superior court judges, which some have warned would add to an already overburdened caseload and be an unconstitutional violation of the separation of powers.

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Just how necessary the judges are was disputed during the Senate floor debate on Tuesday. Sen. Buck Newton, a Republican who represents Johnston, Wilson and Nash counties, challenged Democrats’ claim that the judges handle a significant caseload.

“I’ve had information that they average less than 10 hours a week on the bench,” said Newton, a lawyer, without explaining where that information came from. Newton couldn’t be reached for comment over the weekend.

Data from the AOC suggests the judges handle far more cases than could be disposed of in 10 hours a week or less. While the data isn’t broken down by individual cases and judges, AOC estimates that 9.8 percent of the 204,000 cases disposed of in 2012 were handled by the 12 special superior court judges.

That amounts to approximately 20,000 cases heard by those dozen judges in a year – about 1,600 cases each.

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When the bill hit the Senate floor the next day, Democrats warned that the provision removing judges could be unconstitutional, because the General Assembly isn’t allowed to fire individual judges, except through the repeal process. Republicans argued the legislation was allowable because 12 positions, not individuals, were being eliminated.

But Republicans also said that their ultimate plan is to replace these special judges – who were appointed by Democratic governors – with judges elected in local districts."
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The Democrats did exactly the same thing to the Republican special judges that Gov. Martin appointed when Gov. Hunt took over.
 
I don't mind change, if for the better. But I can't avoid the feeling that the Pubs in Raleigh are just doing stuff they think is "conservative" and "principled" without putting much good thought into it. Putting foxes in charge of hen houses, shunning federal dollars, and cutting cutting cutting as if that's the answer to every problem. Medicaid is a mess. So let's not expand it. Why not expand it and make it less of a mess at the same time? It won't be less of a mess because you refused to expand it.

Sure, we'll have to wait and see how this all works out. What else can we do. But I'm not very hopeful for good results.

Putting people in charge of government who seem to imagine that government is (essentially) always bad and all we need is less of it to flourish...seems dumb to me. Oh well.
 
I understand AOC tracks judge court time. I don't know if AOC tracks case resolutions by judge.
The party in power following the census always does gerrymandering. The Repub map does not appear more wacky than the Dem map.
 
silk said:
I understand AOC tracks judge court time. I don't know if AOC tracks case resolutions by judge.
The party in power following the census always does gerrymandering. The Repub map does not appear more wacky than the Dem map.
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The Democratic map was actually quite fair with only a slight bias in some elections. The Republican map shows major bias.

In the 2002 US House election, Republicans in North Carolina won 7 seats with 53.9% of the vote while Democrats won 6 seats with 46.2% of the vote. Based on the popular vote, Republicans should have held 7 seats with Democrats holding 6 seats. This is a difference of zero seats.

In the 2004 US House election, Republicans in North Carolina won 7 seats with 53.9% of the vote while Democrats won 6 seats with 46.2% of the vote. Based on the popular vote, Republicans should have held 7 seats with Democrats holding 6 seats. This is a difference of zero seats.


In the 2006 US House election, Republicans in North Carolina won 6 seats with 46.2% of the vote while Democrats won 7 seats with 53.9% of the vote. Based on the popular vote, Republicans should have held 6 seats with Democrats holding 7 seats. This is a difference of zero seats.

In the 2008 US House election, Republicans in North Carolina won 5 seats with 45.11% of the vote while Democrats won 8 seats with 54.4% of the vote. Based on the popular vote, Republicans should have held 6 seats with Democrats holding 7 seats. This is a difference of one seat.

In the 2010 Republican takeover of the US House, Republicans in North Carolina won 6 seats with 54.1% of the vote while Democrats won 7 seats with 45.2% of the vote. Based on the popular vote, Republicans should have held 7 seats with the Democrats holding 6 seats. This is a difference on one seat.

In the 2012 US House election after redistricting, Republicans in North Carolina won 9 seats with only 48.75% of the vote while the Democrats won 4 seats with 50.6% of the votes. Based on popular vote, Republicans should have won 6 seats and Democrats should have won 7 seats. This is a difference of 3 seats.
 
ConnorEl said:
I don't mind change, if for the better. But I can't avoid the feeling that the Pubs in Raleigh are just doing stuff they think is "conservative" and "principled" without putting much good thought into it. Putting foxes in charge of hen houses, shunning federal dollars, and cutting cutting cutting as if that's the answer to every problem. Medicaid is a mess. So let's not expand it. Why not expand it and make it less of a mess at the same time? It won't be less of a mess because you refused to expand it.

Sure, we'll have to wait and see how this all works out. What else can we do. But I'm not very hopeful for good results.

Putting people in charge of government who seem to imagine that government is (essentially) always bad and all we need is less of it to flourish...seems dumb to me. Oh well.
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Agree with this. It doesn't seem like there is a larger plan in place, just a lot of ideologues who can't see the forest for the trees.
 
TuffaloDeac10 said:
Voters voted for crazy ass Republican government in NC. We should get crazy ass Republican government. Just don't like the gerrymanders because we should be able to reject crazy ass Republican government if we find we don't like it.
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Then the Dems should not have gerrymandered all those years when they had control. What is it the left is so fond of saying these days? Oh yeah, elections have consequences.
 
Oh, I agree that the Republicans in Raleigh are doing a lousy job.
 
WFFaithful said:
The Democratic map was actually quite fair with only a slight bias in some elections. The Republican map shows major bias.

In the 2002 US House election, Republicans in North Carolina won 7 seats with 53.9% of the vote while Democrats won 6 seats with 46.2% of the vote. Based on the popular vote, Republicans should have held 7 seats with Democrats holding 6 seats. This is a difference of zero seats.

In the 2004 US House election, Republicans in North Carolina won 7 seats with 53.9% of the vote while Democrats won 6 seats with 46.2% of the vote. Based on the popular vote, Republicans should have held 7 seats with Democrats holding 6 seats. This is a difference of zero seats.


In the 2006 US House election, Republicans in North Carolina won 6 seats with 46.2% of the vote while Democrats won 7 seats with 53.9% of the vote. Based on the popular vote, Republicans should have held 6 seats with Democrats holding 7 seats. This is a difference of zero seats.

In the 2008 US House election, Republicans in North Carolina won 5 seats with 45.11% of the vote while Democrats won 8 seats with 54.4% of the vote. Based on the popular vote, Republicans should have held 6 seats with Democrats holding 7 seats. This is a difference of one seat.

In the 2010 Republican takeover of the US House, Republicans in North Carolina won 6 seats with 54.1% of the vote while Democrats won 7 seats with 45.2% of the vote. Based on the popular vote, Republicans should have held 7 seats with the Democrats holding 6 seats. This is a difference on one seat.

In the 2012 US House election after redistricting, Republicans in North Carolina won 9 seats with only 48.75% of the vote while the Democrats won 4 seats with 50.6% of the votes. Based on popular vote, Republicans should have won 6 seats and Democrats should have won 7 seats. This is a difference of 3 seats.
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olddke said:
Then the Dems should not have gerrymandered all those years when they had control. What is it the left is so fond of saying these days? Oh yeah, elections have consequences.
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If you read my post above, you will see that the evil Dems gerrymandered mostly fair districts. The Republican gerrymandering is much worse.
 
jhmd2000 said:
You'd think if that were true, there would be evidence, citation or more likely both. Another bizarre post.
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http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2013/02/12/3850960/gop-making-an-expensive-point.html

That needed tackling, but the way the legislature did it unnecessarily costs the state $780 million from the federal government. Lawmakers could have made all the changes they did and still receive the $780 million by delaying them for just six months.

I agree, it is so very bizarre.
 
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