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George Zimmerman

ONW said:
Did he follow him by car and on foot...yes

Did he sneak up on him...yes

Did he draw a gun and shoot him...yes

Did he insinuate in a TV interview the he told him to stop or he'd shoot...yes
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Yes, to an extent. No. Yes, obviously. Link to the last one, please.
 
myDeaconmyhand said:
It wasn't pouring rain at the time, plenty of people walk in drizzle.Summer rain in Florida comes and goes in minutes Anyway, it wasn't a damned monsoon. He was having a phone conversation with his moped, probably planning a 'date' or something.
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Drizzle in Florida is like drizzle anywhere. No, it isn't a monsoon, but it also isn't something that you linger in needlessly, even with a hoodie to keep yourself dry. It's not like it was a nice night for a stroll.
 
Lectro said:
I am assuming that with your PHD you can distinguish the difference between my belief that we are dealing with a troubled youth from any kind of feeling that he "deserved to die". Trayvon did not deserve to die. It has always been my contention that he was up to no good and George called him out. He wasn't walking down the street or on a sidewalk...George could have just pulled up and rolled down his window. No, Trayvon was up fucking around those houses. I'm not sequestered. He lost me after his mother kicked him out, earned his 3rd suspension, practiced street fighting, made consistent references to the "Lean" (purple juice) and of, course, to the heart of why George had to get out of his car... the bag of wedding bands, watches and diamonds.

That guy was anything but innocent and he put himself in a bad spot looking in the same house (according to Defense) that had been robbed just 2 weeks prior.
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Yet you think I was wrong for saying you believe Martin was guilty.

Sometimes I don't think you read what you post, Lectro.
 
Lectro said:
EatLeadCommie said:
Well, it wasn't really his neighborhood, was it? Wasn't it his dad's GF's neighborhood? I don't visit my brother for a week and then claim his neighborhood as my own.

Regardless, sure you can loiter. But why do you loiter in the rain? Does that make any sense to you? Maybe he wanted to smoke a joint or something that he couldn't do at home, but you don't loiter in the rain to eat skittle?

Don't hit em with logic.
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So you can shoot a black kid because he's standing around in the rain in your neighborhood looking suspicious and not walking fast enough?

I hope you live nowhere near me or anyone I care about.
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Was there a bag of jewels from break-ins around the neighborhood found on Trayvon when he was killed? I haven't been following this case closely but I don't think there was?
 
Lectro said:
Fucking complete bullshit
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Did Zimmerman have access to this kids criminal background on the night of the shooting? Are you fucking insane?
 
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EatLeadCommie said:
Drizzle in Florida is like drizzle anywhere. No, it isn't a monsoon, but it also isn't something that you linger in needlessly, even with a hoodie to keep yourself dry. It's not like it was a nice night for a stroll.
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Completely false. The temperature in mid-Florida in late February or March would be much more comfortable and reasonable to walk in drizzle or mild rain then most other places in the country. The kid was walking back from the corner store at 7 with a bag of skittles and talking to his friend on the phone, since when did that become criminal mischief worth of suspicion?
 
Did Zimmerman's defense argue Trayvon was going up to houses and looking in windows? Did Zimmerman say that's what he saw him doing?
 
tiltdeac said:
Guns escalate everything. If he doesn't have a gun on him, both of them are alive to tell their story. Maybe he really did fear for his life, but I think most of us would agree that fear is completely irrational. He wasn't fighting Ivan Drago. And yet he gets to use that irrational fear to claim justification for killing someone. Based on the way the laws are written and the charges against him, he should be acquitted. But it just feels gross. If your gun kills someone, some of the burden to show why needs to shift, imo. Freaking hate guns.
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Pos rep this man!

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myDeaconmyhand said:
Completely false. The temperature in mid-Florida in late February or March would make it much more comfortable and reasonable to walk in drizzle or mild rain then most other places in the country. The kid was walking back from the corner store at 7 with a bag of skittles and talking to his friend on the phone, since when did that become criminal mischief worth of suspicion?
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When it was occurring in a neighborhood with several hundred police calls over the past few years for robbery and other similar crimes. Regardless, it didn't become something he could be shot for until he (allegedly) started bashing dude's head into the concrete.
 
tiltdeac said:
No, he had a bag of skittles.
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That's what I thought. So why is the bag of jewels of relevant to what happened the night in question? Unless Zimmerman saw him going from house to house, looking in windows or something. But if he did, why confront a suspected burglar who might be armed? Why not just call the police and let them handle it. If Zimmerman had done what the dispatcher said all of this would've been avoided.
 
There's a reason why the jury wasnt instructed that Zimmerman allegedly following Martin means he can be considered the aggressor for the purposes of self-defense.

It's the use of force or threat of force.

If Martin threw the first punch that night he was the first person to also commit a crime that night.

Now, we don't know if that's the case. There's a giant hole in the evidence when it comes to this. And it's Zimmerman who gets the benefit of the doubt when it comes to this "hole."
 
Les Grossman said:
There's a reason why the jury wasnt instructed that Zimmerman allegedly following Martin means he can be considered the aggressor for the purposes of self-defense.

It's the use of force or threat of force.

If Martin threw the first punch that night he was the first person to also commit a crime that night.

Now, we don't know if that's the case. There's a giant hole in the evidence when it comes to this. And it's Zimmerman who gets the benefit of the doubt when it comes to this "hole."
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This. Thank you for making what I was trying to say a lot more succinct.
 
BobStackFan4Life said:
That's what I thought. So why is the bag of jewels of relevant to what happened the night in question? Unless Zimmerman saw him going from house to house, looking in windows or something. But if he did, why confront a suspected burglar who might be armed? Why not just call the police and let them handle it. If Zimmerman had done what the dispatcher said all of this would've been avoided.
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Again, that's not entirely accurate. Or, at the very least, there's another side to the story.

The operator also asked GZ what Martin was doing. I don't think it's ridiculous to assume that GZ would follow Martin for that reason. Even the operator conceded that.

Also, GZ states that Martin confronted him.

I don't say these things as if they're 100% true. I only point them out as reasonable alternative explanations.
 
Les Grossman said:
There's a reason why the jury wasnt instructed that Zimmerman allegedly following Martin means he can be considered the aggressor for the purposes of self-defense.

It's the use of force or threat of force.

If Martin threw the first punch that night he was the first person to also commit a crime that night.

Now, we don't know if that's the case. There's a giant hole in the evidence when it comes to this. And it's Zimmerman who gets the benefit of the doubt when it comes to this "hole."
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Exactly. Treyvon could very well have started the fight by jumping out of the bushes as Martin alledges, but there is no proof of that. If we're pointing fingers at the person most likely to have been looking for trouble that night, Zimmerman was the most likely aggressor, even if he never landed a punch.
 
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