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Seems so long ago

DCDeac said:
Funny to think back to Tanner's start at Wake - seemed similar to Riley but maybe a little more talented. Stronger arm, better runner... The Music City Bowl was such a prime example of Riley ball. 2:15 left needing a touchdown to win, kept a superior team within reach all game... And Tanner throws probably the worst 4 straight incomplete passes you can imagine to wide open receivers. Just never developed the pocket presence, confidence, or clutch play that Riley did. If we'd won that bowl game I wonder if the coaching philosophy would have stayed the same.
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Yeah I remember on the Scout Board after the 2010 game against Duke (Tanner's first career start) that Tanner was already better than Riley, lol!!!!
 
Any problems the staff has with Tanner go back to the staff. He's a four year starter who started as a true freshman.

Think about it like this. Tanner started as a true freshman in 2010. The redshirt seniors that year were from the 2006 class. We didn't have a player from that 2006 class better than Tanner or any of the classes before him or since. From 2006 to 2013, that is 8 classes of players from which Tanner Price has remained the best QB through 3 1/3 seasons.

Tanner started as a true frosh because of poor recruiting and is still starting because of poor recruiting.
 
That's not really fair. Tanner was an excellent QB prospect. After his redshirt freshman year, recruiting over him at QB would understandably have been extremely low on the priority list.

As many posters have said - he looked like he'd turn out better than Riley early on. And he took us to a bowl game as a Sophomore, even if he choked a bit in that game. Slamming QB recruiting based on Tanner not being a successful option quarterback is a combination of hindsight and blaming the coaching for the wrong thing.
 
The option piece is a straw man, DC.

Tanner is and has been our QB because he's the best one on the roster. It's not like the staff has stopped recruiting QBs or purposefully recruited players worse than Tanner.
 
PhDeac said:
The option piece is a straw man, DC.

Tanner is and has been our QB because he's the best one on the roster. It's not like the staff has stopped recruiting QBs or purposefully recruited players worse than Tanner.
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Are we not recruiting good QB talent or just not developing them? Heck, Kevin Sousa (recruited as a QB) is one of the more higher profile recruits Grobe has had and honestly at this point I wonder if he will even end up contributing in any way during his time here. I guess we'll probably see what Cameron can do next year, but the staff sure haven't given any hint he'd get a shot this year if Tanner continues to struggle. Tanner was a good QB recruit for us, but he hasn't really improved in 3+ years in my opinion.
 
I looked on scout, Sousa was in the 2011 class and ranked at the 42nd QB, Cameron was in the 2012 class and ranked as the 52th QB. Getting basically 2 top 50 QB's in two straight classes isn't bad for LOWF. Tanner Price was ranked 104th, so we've got 2 QB's on the roster that were ranked much higher than Price and one is listed as the 3rd string and the other isn't even really a QB now?????? I think the problem is coaching more than recruiting, at least at the QB position.
 
liveanddiedeac said:
I looked on scout, Sousa was in the 2011 class and ranked at the 42nd QB, Cameron was in the 2012 class and ranked as the 52th QB. Getting basically 2 top 50 QB's in two straight classes isn't bad for LOWF. Tanner Price was ranked 104th, so we've got 2 QB's on the roster that were ranked much higher than Price and one is listed as the 3rd string and the other isn't even really a QB now?????? I think the problem is coaching more than recruiting, at least at the QB position.
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Thanks for finding the numbers.

I have no idea what Ph is arguing at this point. I guess if you complain about everything something will stick eventually. We have about 100 problems that rank above the last 3 years of QB recruiting.
 
PhDeac said:
Any problems the staff has with Tanner go back to the staff. He's a four year starter who started as a true freshman.

Think about it like this. Tanner started as a true freshman in 2010. The redshirt seniors that year were from the 2006 class. We didn't have a player from that 2006 class better than Tanner or any of the classes before him or since. From 2006 to 2013, that is 8 classes of players from which Tanner Price has remained the best QB through 3 1/3 seasons.

Tanner started as a true frosh because of poor recruiting and is still starting because of poor recruiting.
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You and I tend to agree on the fact that everyone is infatuated with the "newest QB on campus" but it must be asked for comical reasons...but I thought Cameron was our program savior and some big recruit that was gonna dethron price?
 
DCDeac said:
Thanks for finding the numbers.

I have no idea what Ph is arguing at this point. I guess if you complain about everything something will stick eventually. We have about 100 problems that rank above the last 3 years of QB recruiting.
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I think he might have a point when it comes to the other QB's we had on the roster Tanner's freshman year, ideally we would've had an upper classman good enough so Price wouldn't have had to start as a true frosh, but he was clearly the best we had. However, the QB recruiting since then has been pretty good on paper, but the development of them have stunk.

Edited to add: However, we did have Skylar Jones on the roster in 2010 and he was ranked 30th as a recruit, so again had at least one good QB recruit in place, but he didn't amount to much either. I keep seeing a trend here of good QB recruits on paper, but basically not turning in to anything. Too early to tell on Cameron though, we'll see next year I suppose.
 
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Tanner threw for 3,000 yards as a sophomore and set all kind of freshman QB records at Wake. What's up with acting like he's always sucked?

He was running for his life all year last year, and this year our coaching staff threw the option at him. Wake has had a top 50 QB recruit on the roster along with Tanner for his entire career. You guys back on the CJ Leak plan?
 
Tanner has some tools, including a strong work ethic, but he doesn't seem to be a natural leader, doesn't seem to have received quality coaching, doesn't seem to be standing behind a decent line, and doesn't seem to have had more than one reliable receiver the past two years. Take just one of those pieces away, and I think he would be pretty average. In the perfect situation he could even be quite good. 2011 wasn't even the perfect situation, and he played pretty well, especially for the first half of the season.
 
DCDeac said:
Tanner threw for 3,000 yards as a sophomore and set all kind of freshman QB records at Wake. What's up with acting like he's always sucked?

He was running for his life all year last year, and this year our coaching staff threw the option at him. Wake has had a top 50 QB recruit on the roster along with Tanner for his entire career. You guys back on the CJ Leak plan?
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Tanner has not been developed properly and hasn't been provided a decent Oline to work behind. Throw in a terrible scheme his year and the kid hasn't had much of a shot really.
 
A 2-star recruit, 104th at his position according to Scout. I watched that Texas 5A championship game and came away unimpressed, saying to myself "a typical nondescript Wake QB recruit." No team in Texas save Rice offered him. What do folks think we knew that Texas teams didn't? He wasn't "under the radar".
 
The reaction to Price's commitment was no different than the reaction to Skyler Jones, Stachitas, Brendan Cross, Sousa, or Cameron. The usual suspects hyped the shit out of them when they committed, spoke in glowing terms when they were redshirting, and then usually kicked them to the curb once they didn't actually play. Jones was great until he didn't get in the game and we had a commitment from Stachitas, who was great until he didn't play and Cross was supposedly the savior. The Price was better than Cross, then Sousa was to push Price, now Cameron is supposedly going to be a star, until you realize he is third string behind a guy recruited as a LB (much like all the other guys played 3rd string behind McManus). Cameron will have his time as the "star in waiting" extended because our last two years of QB recruiting have been so nondescript.

As much as I hate to say it, our QB development has fallen apart since Mullen left. We went from having QBs who came and either started here or transferred to another school and started to having guys who can't be out walk-ons. And Price's mechanics have regressed terribly in the past 2 years. Coach Elrod has gone through hell that no man should have to endure, so I find it hard to be to critical of him. Especially given that Tom Brady would look like shit in our offense right now given the "system" that we try to run. But he has not turned out to be the rising star he appeared to be in 2008 or so.
 
DeaconSig said:
As much as I hate to say it, our QB development has fallen apart since Mullen left. We went from having QBs who came and either started here or transferred to another school and started to having guys who can't be out walk-ons. And Price's mechanics have regressed terribly in the past 2 years. Coach Elrod has gone through hell that no man should have to endure, so I find it hard to be to critical of him. Especially given that Tom Brady would look like shit in our offense right now given the "system" that we try to run. But he has not turned out to be the rising star he appeared to be in 2008 or so.
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This nails it, imo.
 
DCDeac said:
This nails it, imo.
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Sig reinforces the same point I've made for years, the same point I'm supporting now and this is your response. I can only laugh. I will say again that I'm not sure it's necessarily a development piece as much as recruiting. I'm not sure how much development Zac Taylor got while being a 3rd stringer here before being a starter and quite good QB at Nebraska. I do know he must have had some nice talent that our staff saw. I'm looking forward to how our latest QB recruit is hyped up considering the last word on him is that he's the backup at Millbrook now.
 
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