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RJKarl said:
Except it's not disincentiviznig work. In addition to losnig millions of workers due to retirement, people can keep their insurance (especially those with pre-existing conditions) without keeping a specific job. The GOP always talked about the portability of health insurance. Now it exists and RW hacks lile DeacMan now oppose it.

The GOP bemoans women working outside the home. one reason is the need to be able to pay for insurance. Now that they cna pay for their insurance and be at home more, GOP hacks don't like it.

By far the biggest failur of Obama was not spending enough money early to tell the public what they would be getting from ACA. The public overwhelmingly supports the pieces of ACA. They just don't know what they are. This is a huge F for Obama.
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wake20 said:
What?
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RJKarl said:
The public overwhelmingly supports the pieces of ACA. They just don't know what they are.
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Can't believe I missed this gem the first time. Definitely a top 10 RJ quote. :bowrofl:

Credit to wake20 for pointing it out.
 
Project 2017 has the makings of a much better plan than obamacare although it continues the idiocy of linking healthcare to employment. Just go whole hog and abolish the employer deduction/exclusion, open up state lines, and give everyone the tax credit.

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Deacon923 said:
Project 2017 has the makings of a much better plan than obamacare although it continues the idiocy of linking healthcare to employment. Just go whole hog and abolish the employer deduction/exclusion, open up state lines, and give everyone the tax credit.

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This would definitely be a huge improvement. We need to go all out one way or another in my opinion. Open it up all the way or give it all to the government.
 
RJKarl said:
Except it's not disincentiviznig work. In addition to losnig millions of workers due to retirement, people can keep their insurance (especially those with pre-existing conditions) without keeping a specific job. The GOP always talked about the portability of health insurance. Now it exists and RW hacks lile DeacMan now oppose it.

The GOP bemoans women working outside the home. one reason is the need to be able to pay for insurance. Now that they cna pay for their insurance and be at home more, GOP hacks don't like it.

By far the biggest failur of Obama was not spending enough money early to tell the public what they would be getting from ACA. The public overwhelmingly supports the pieces of ACA. They just don't know what they are. This is a huge F for Obama.
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"Back in 2010, then-House Speaker Nancy Pelosi infamously said “we have to pass the bill so you can find out what is in it,” pertaining to Obamacare"


It all makes sense now. RJ is Nancy Pelosi..
 
CHDeac said:
Actually, a lot of the research shows its the loss of income. Not just the bills. Not worth a huge debate but it cuts both ways.
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You are simply being an industry shill to justify outrageous bills.

Here are a few studies not by the undustry:

http://www.cnbc.com/id/100840148

http://www.businessweek.com/bwdaily/dnflash/content/jun2009/db2009064_666715.htm

http://www.forbes.com/2010/03/25/why-people-go-bankrupt-personal-finance-bankruptcy.html

There is abundance of other studies that say the same thing. It's simply a matter of fact. You can dance all you like, but you can't change facts.
 
Anybody notice that this thread has devolved into a bitch session with basically the same 5-6 people doing all the bitching?
 
What's amazing is the right thought it would be perfect from Day one. No massive program ever has been. Some heads should have rolled, but that's normal.

Also when it was written, no one expected two dozen states to be allowed to not participate.
 
RJKarl said:
What's amazing is the right thought it would be perfect from Day one.
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I'm pretty sure no one on the right thought the bill would be perfect from Day 1...

RJKarl said:
Also when it was written, no one expected two dozen states to be allowed to not participate.
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So, what you're saying is that it was poorly researched, envisioned and written? Agreed.
 
bcobbdeacs said:
Anybody notice that this thread has devolved into a bitch session with basically the same 5-6 people doing all the bitching?
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There is almost no news so when news comes out it is inevitably bad.

News is reported on the thread.

Typical defenders them come to decry the negative reporting.

CHDeac then gives us am honest look at the situation.

The board moderate calls him a shill.

People laugh.

Rinse and repeat.

I find the thread interesting just because you do receive somewhat regular updates from around the country on the implementation.
 
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