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As long as the American tax payer isn't picking up the tab for them not to work I have no problems with it. People can make whatever choice is best for them. But if we are paying health insurance subsidies for people that choose to not work and take the subsidies that is a crap result.

I agree and have no problem with requiring community service from people receiving benefits (I'll take the physically incapable of doing so out of the equation). At least be a part-time freeloader.

We already are picking up the tab. We just don't know it.
 
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I agree and have no problem with requiring community service from people receiving benefits (I'll take the physically incapable of doing so out of the equation). At least be a part-time freeloader.

We already are picking up the tab. We just don't know it.

We are not picking up the tab on people who have employer provided insurance.

Completely agree about community service. I wouldn't mind that for anyone that receives government assistance (including farmers). We have so much need and so few people willing to step outside their comfort zone.
 
We are not picking up the tab on people who have employer provided insurance.

Completely agree about community service. I wouldn't mind that for anyone that receives government assistance (including farmers). We have so much need and so few people willing to step outside their comfort zone.

Cost of care for the uninsured is built into your employer provided insurance costs.
 
Ignore it. LOL. I'll cite that report all day long. And that isn't being a "partisan" hack either. I've hated this law from the get go. And the fact we now have a bunch of idiots proclaiming we should applaud a disincentive to work is lousy. When you provide people with a disincentive to work you have completely screwed the pooch. And to make matters even worse, many people who will leave the workforce will not necessarily want to do so. It will merely be a matter of math. Stay in the work force and pay a big amount out of pocket for healthcare or retire a bit early and save thousands and thousands of dollars.

Except it's not disincentiviznig work. In addition to losnig millions of workers due to retirement, people can keep their insurance (especially those with pre-existing conditions) without keeping a specific job. The GOP always talked about the portability of health insurance. Now it exists and RW hacks lile DeacMan now oppose it.

The GOP bemoans women working outside the home. one reason is the need to be able to pay for insurance. Now that they cna pay for their insurance and be at home more, GOP hacks don't like it.

By far the biggest failur of Obama was not spending enough money early to tell the public what they would be getting from ACA. The public overwhelmingly supports the pieces of ACA. They just don't know what they are. This is a huge F for Obama.
 
How is it that the more we find out about ACA the further that Obama's approval numbers drop?
 
Wrong! Most people still don't know that they can't be kept from having insurance due to pre-existing conditions. Not all know that you can never lose your house due to meidcal bills. Millions of seniors still don't know they can get assistance for their prescriptions. Millions of women don't know being a woman isn't a pre-existing condition and that they don't automatically pay higher premiums any longer. Those are just some of the things they don't know.

A major reason that Obama's numbers are going down is that his WH is still wussy about hitting back. The CBO report is a perfect example. There should be stories in every newspaper calling Faux News and Memebers of Congress the liars they are about portraying the report as saying it will cost jobs when the report didn't say that at all.

The reality is the public supports ACA. The ignorant ones don't like Obamacare.
 
How is it that the more we find out about ACA the further that Obama's approval numbers drop?

I can't think of a major policy in my lifetime that didn't face this reality. Campaign promises are always unfulfilled.
 
Just a couple of clarifications.

If you lose/leave your job, your insurance isn't portable if its group based unless you go with COBRA. It will trigger a Special Enrollment Period that allows you to go get individual coverage IF your new employer (if applicable) doesn't offer affordable coverage. These plans can look very different that what your employer offers. No comment of this is good/bad or indifferent.

Also, the law does nothing directly to prevent you from losing your house if you get sick as is implied. Many people get sick and can't work. While the law does offer insurance to everyone, its not AFLAC. It does offer you an annual cap on your OOP (less premium) annual expenses at $6,350.

And just to show I criticize both sides, in most cases, dropping employer coverage and going to the exchange wont be cheaper to the consumer unless they are subsidy eligible.
 
Just a couple of clarifications.

If you lose/leave your job, your insurance isn't portable if its group based unless you go with COBRA. It will trigger a Special Enrollment Period that allows you to go get individual coverage IF your new employer (if applicable) doesn't offer affordable coverage. These plans can look very different that what your employer offers. No comment of this is good/bad or indifferent.

Also, the law does nothing directly to prevent you from losing your house if you get sick as is implied. Many people get sick and can't work. While the law does offer insurance to everyone, its not AFLAC. It does offer you an annual cap on your OOP (less premium) annual expenses at $6,350.

And just to show I criticize both sides, in most cases, dropping employer coverage and going to the exchange wont be cheaper to the consumer unless they are subsidy eligible.

You can't lose your house BECAUSE of medical bills under ACA. For nearly every year since 1975, the #1 reason for personal bankruptcy and losing one's home has been medical bills. This can no longer happen.
 
You can't lose your house BECAUSE of medical bills under ACA. For nearly every year since 1975, the #1 reason for personal bankruptcy and losing one's home has been medical bills. This can no longer happen.

Link?
 
You can't lose your house BECAUSE of medical bills under ACA. For nearly every year since 1975, the #1 reason for personal bankruptcy and losing one's home has been medical bills. This can no longer happen.

What the hell are you talking about? If you have medical bills that you don't pay, you most certainly can lose your house or be forced into bankruptcy. When did Obamacare require 100% coverage of every possible affliction?
 
The average medical bill of medical bankruptcies (for folks with insurance) is around $17,500, so ACA will certainly reduce the number of medical bankruptcies. Of course, there have been reports of people who had to drop their health insurance due to the increased premiums under ACA - they will be screwed if they have significant medical bills.
 
What the hell are you talking about? If you have medical bills that you don't pay, you most certainly can lose your house or be forced into bankruptcy. When did Obamacare require 100% coverage of every possible affliction?

Page five of your Yes We Can Trapper Keeper; next to the drawing of the unicorns.
 
You can't lose your house BECAUSE of medical bills under ACA. For nearly every year since 1975, the #1 reason for personal bankruptcy and losing one's home has been medical bills. This can no longer happen.

Actually, a lot of the research shows its the loss of income. Not just the bills. Not worth a huge debate but it cuts both ways.
 
CH,

I'd like to get your views on the new 'pub proposal. Here is a summary (albeit from a friendly source), but also a link to the bill.

http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/winning-alternative-obamacare_778872.html?page=1

Obamacare is failing. Faced with this unpleasant reality, President Obama offered up during his State of the Union address his only remaining defense of his eponymous program: There is no alternative. “[M]y Republican friends…if you have specific plans…tell America what you’d do differently….We all owe it to the American people to say what we’re for, not just what we’re against.”

We accept the challenge. The 2017 Project, with which we’re associated, has developed an alternative to Obama’s 2,700 pages of federal largess. The proposal builds upon prior efforts by conservative policymakers and thinkers, including recent proposals from the House Republican Study Committee (RSC) and a trio of senior GOP senators (Tom Coburn, Richard Burr, and Orrin Hatch). It would solve the three core problems that called out for real reform even before the Democrats passed Obamacare: getting more people insured; dealing with the problem of preexisting conditions; and lowering costs. In providing politically attractive and substantively sound solutions to these three core concerns, it would justify bringing an end to Obamacare, and thus would pave the way for full repeal.

Just as important as what our proposal would do is what it wouldn’t do. It wouldn’t force anyone to buy insurance. It wouldn’t auto-enroll anyone in any plan. It wouldn’t reduce the tax break for employer-based insurance (aside from closing the tax loophole at the high end). It wouldn’t cost anywhere near the $2 trillion over a decade that Obamacare would cost. It wouldn’t undermine religious liberty. It would allow Americans to keep their current plan if they like it.


The Burr-Coburn-Hatch Proposal


In order to increase the number of people with insurance versus the pre-Obamacare status quo without compelling anyone to buy anything, the 2017 Project proposal would address what has long been a basic unfairness in the tax code. Why should millions of Americans who get insurance through their employer get a tax break, while millions who buy it on their own through the individual market do not? We would end this unfairness by offering a refundable tax credit, one that would apply to everyone who buys insurance through the individual market (just as the employer-based tax break applies to everyone in the employer market). Since insurance costs increase with age, the value of the tax credit does too: $1,200 for those under 35 years of age, $2,100 for those between 35 and 50, and $3,000 for those who are 50 or over. There would also be a $900 credit per child. Those who didn’t use the full value of their tax credit could deposit what’s left in a health savings account (HSA). Figures from the Government Accountability Office suggest that—in the absence of Obamacare’s myriad mandates—such credits, combined with the reform of letting people buy insurance across state lines, would make a low-premium (“catastrophic”) policy affordable for everyone.

Obamacare’s taxpayer-funded subsidies are substantial for the near-poor and some of the near-elderly, but they do virtually nothing for most of the young or the middle class. Obamacare’s neglect of these two rather significant groups opens up a huge political vulnerability. A 2017 Project study of Obamacare’s subsidies in the 50 largest American counties shows that a typical 26-year-old man who makes $35,000 would get no Obamacare subsidy whatsoever for the cheapest-priced “bronze” plan. Nor would a 36-year-old woman who is making that same $35,000. Under our alternative, by contrast, they would get tax credits of $1,200 and $2,100 respectively, which they wouldn’t have to use for a government-run “exchange” plan but could use for any plan they’d like.

While most Americans don’t support Obamacare’s income redistribution, they also don’t want to see those with lower incomes tossed off their newly acquired insurance. In terms of effects on the near-poor and the middle class, the two most recent GOP alternatives tend to err in opposite directions. The RSC proposal relies on a tax deduction, not a credit. So it provides a significant assist to the upper half of income-earners, while millions of lower-income people would get comparatively little help in paying for their insurance. The Coburn-Burr-Hatch proposal, on the other hand, income-tests its tax credit, therefore doing little or nothing for much of the middle class. Our alternative effectively splits this difference, offering tax credits rather than deductions, but not means-testing them—thus helping both the newly insured near-poor and the neglected-by-Obamacare middle class.


To solve the problem of expensive preexisting conditions, our alternative would allocate $7.5 billion a year in defined-contribution federal funding for state-run “high risk” pools. Through such pools, anyone could buy affordable, partially subsidized insurance, and no one could be turned away because of a preexisting condition. We also propose (1) that no one could be dropped from, or re-priced by, their existing insurance—including insurance purchased under Obamacare—because of a preexisting condition; (2) that those who turn 18 (or leave their parents’ insurance) have a one-time, one-year buy-in-period during which they couldn’t be denied coverage, or charged more, for a preexisting condition—and that parents be granted a similar one-year buy-in-period for newborns; and (3) that people be able to move from employer-based plans to individual plans, or between individual plans of the same level, without being denied coverage, or being re-priced, for a preexisting condition.

There’s more to our proposal, and we invite readers to take a look at it at www.2017project.org. We’re certain it’s not perfect, and we hope others will find ways to improve upon it. But we do think it sketches a compelling alternative to Obamacare, one that should allow Americans to have confidence in what would follow repeal. For this proposal can make the following winning claim: under this conservative alternative, health costs would drop, liberty would be secured, and any American who wants to buy health insurance would be able to do so. And we can be freed from the nightmare of Obamacare.

http://2017project.org/
 
Except it's not disincentiviznig work. In addition to losnig millions of workers due to retirement, people can keep their insurance (especially those with pre-existing conditions) without keeping a specific job. The GOP always talked about the portability of health insurance. Now it exists and RW hacks lile DeacMan now oppose it.

The GOP bemoans women working outside the home. one reason is the need to be able to pay for insurance. Now that they cna pay for their insurance and be at home more, GOP hacks don't like it.

By far the biggest failur of Obama was not spending enough money early to tell the public what they would be getting from ACA. The public overwhelmingly supports the pieces of ACA. They just don't know what they are. This is a huge F for Obama.

What?
 
You can't lose your house BECAUSE of medical bills under ACA. For nearly every year since 1975, the #1 reason for personal bankruptcy and losing one's home has been medical bills. This can no longer happen.

Any medical creditor who mentions a potential home foreclosure into an interstate stream of telecommunications is summarily drone struck, and his seared ashes are then imprisoned in Guantanamo. It's real out here in these streets.
 
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