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Malaysian Airline Flight MH370

Regarding how it went off radar:

From the Guardian;

"Over land, air traffic controllers can use two types of radar, primary, which detects objects by bouncing back a radio signal, and secondary , where the plane sends back an automatic response, identifying itself. Air traffic consultant Doug Maclean, of DKM Aviation, says: "Secondary surveillance radar sends out a coded question, the interrogation message will be received and sent back; that requires a degree of co-operation between plane and the ground. In the likes of the 9/11 incident, the aircraft would have received messages but hijackers had switched off the reply.
But over longer distances where radar coverage is limited – ie usually when planes are flying across oceans – they use another system, Automatic Dependent Surveillance. Here the aircraft transmits its own signal and gives its position via satellites. Maclean says: "Once you go outside primary radar coverage, which would normally be about 100 miles offshore maximum, you are relying on the plane to be transponding."

Malaysia Airlines has confirmed its plane had a system called ACARS, or the Aircraft Communications Addressing and Reporting System, which would also automatically alert engineers at base of any mechanical failure.

So when flight MH370 disappeared from plane tracking websites, it could mean the signals from the plane's transponder were stopped deliberately (by pilots or others), or there was a complete electrical failure, or the plane disintegrated. Where the Malaysian plane was flying, the signals are picked up by sites only once a minute and only at a plane's cruising height above 29,000 feet. So a dramatic loss of altitude could conceivably also see a plane drop off their radar but potentially continue to travel for some distance."
 
Also:

A senior police official told Reuters that people armed with explosives and carrying false identity papers had tried to fly out of Kuala Lumpur in the past, and that current investigations were focused on two passengers who were on the missing plane with stolen passports.

“We have stopped men with false or stolen passports and carrying explosives, who have tried to get past KLIA (airport) security and get on to a plane,” he said. “There have been two or three incidents, but I will not divulge the details."
 
Racer posts about what is definitely possible and definitely impossible in engineering are my favorite. ALL OF YOU HAVE NO UNDERSTANDING OF PHYSICS
 
AlJazeera just interviewed an expert who said a study was done 10 years ago to see how feasible it would be to uplink all flight data to satellites. They came to the conclusion that it would cost $300M/year/airline to capture that data in real time.
 
No doubt it would be expensive, but I'm assuming 2014 communications tech would cost less than 2004 tech. Also assuming those costs would drop over time. That said, this is definitely a solution in search of a problem.
 
No doubt it would be expensive, but I'm assuming 2014 communications tech would cost less than 2004 tech. Also assuming those costs would drop over time. That said, this is definitely a solution in search of a problem.

Yeah he also said it was so infrequently necessary that it would never be worth the investment for the airlines.
 
How is it that we can have in flight wifi but can't stream at least the minimum info needed, like "latitude and longitude of the lock box?"

Studies from 15 years ago concluded that to build a handheld 2-way communications device that would allow both data and voice interface using a touch screen would cost roughy $20 million. Yet here I am posting this message from my bedroom using a phone that was practically given to me.
 
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Yeah he also said it was so infrequently necessary that it would never be worth the investment for the airlines.

Then why do they bother with the black box? Infrequently used, so unnecessary. Same with oxygen masks and those stupid floating seat cushions. If they are supposed to float they WHY THE FUCK ARE THEY SO UNCOMFORTABLE?
 
How is it that we can have in flight wifi but can't stream at least the minimum info needed, like "latitude and longitude of the lock box?"

Studies from 15 years ago concluded that to build a handheld 2-way communications device that would allow both data and voice interface using a touch screen would cost roughy $20 million. Yet here I am posting this message from my bedroom using a phone that was practically given to me.

No WiFi on the Malaysia planes.
 
Then why do they bother with the black box? Infrequently used, so unnecessary. Same with oxygen masks and those stupid floating seat cushions. If they are supposed to float they WHY THE FUCK ARE THEY SO UNCOMFORTABLE?

I think there's an obvious difference in utility between flight data recorders and live-streaming the data from those recorders on the thousands and thousands of commercial planes in service around the world. Like, would it be ideal? I guess so. But planes don't disappear. That's why this one particular case is so interesting. Not sure one freak instance is worth building a massive real-time black box communications network.
 
Wasn't there anyone on the flight using an Apple product? Just use the Find My Iphone feature. Boom. Done.
 
No doubt it would be expensive, but I'm assuming 2014 communications tech would cost less than 2004 tech. Also assuming those costs would drop over time. That said, this is definitely a solution in search of a problem.

Or, don't capture audio, just positional data. We already do this for police cars, ambulances, fire trucks and semis.
 
what i understand is that you throw out numbers to emphasize your point. i'd like to see your info on that piece of the assumption

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utah_Data_Center

"The megaproject was completed in late-2013 at a cost of US$1.5 billion despite ongoing controversy over the NSA's involvement in the practice of mass surveillance in the United States."

That's just the cost of the data center. It has nothing to do with the operational costs of the place, nor the salaries of all of the 1000's of employees involved in the program.
 
I'm beginning to think this thing was flat out hijacked and stolen. Transponders turned off, and flown someplace at low altitude and stashed away.
 
The two Iranians traveling on the stolen passports were seeking asylum in Germany. Interpol says they don't believe they have anything to do with the missing airplane apart from being passengers.

Malaysian military believes the plane traveled west over the Strait of Malacca after it disappeared from civilian radar.

Theory #2,204,092: Somalian Pirates
 
1.5 billion = billions upon billions

i'm glad you weren't around when we were considering building the interstate system
 
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