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Official Hoops Coaching Search Thread - Welcome Danny Manning!!!

Strickland33 said:
His resume sucks. S-U-C-K-S.

I'm done with hope. This is rock bottom.
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#72 on Kenpom is one of Tulsa's better Kenpom rankings in the past 10 years. That doesn't suck.

Everyone would have like to see more of a track record. Everyone would prefer more of a sure thing. But the thing is, it's not that hard to win at Wake. It seems like those panicking have convinced themselves that it's going to take a Herculean effort to pull us out of the basement. It won't. If he can do better than average at Tulsa, he'll probably do at least average at Wake. Which for us would mean NCAA's more often than not after the roster turns over a bit. There's no legitimate reason to be extremly excited about Manning, but there's also no reason to lose hope over him.
 
Strickland33 said:
I just thought you'd be above arguing with a straw man. The "facts" are "facts." Taking away largely blind speculation and projections based on speculation, Manning is an objectively bad hire for a school of Wake's caliber.

Do I hope he succeeds? Hell yeah.

Does his resume offer anything to suggest that he'll succeed? You can't base anything off of two years, IMO.
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It wasn't a straw man. Read the posts.

I disagree that Manning is an "objectively" bad hire for Wake Forest. That's an opinion. Many will hold the opposite one, and no one will be right until the future happens.

No one is basing anything solely off two years. Manning's history of non-stop success in many facets suggests he might continue to be successful in his next job. That's my subjective opinion, as valid as your. Cheers.
 
IrishSlim said:
Jesus Christ, man. You've been King Pout through this whole process. Put the razor blades down, wipe away the emo tears, and remember that "LOWF" stands for "Little Ole' Wake Forest." It stands for caring about trying more than winning. It stands for fretting over politeness. It stands for being a small school in the midst of three other bigger schools, and somehow always being those fanbase's second favorite team.

Stockholm Syndrome? Loser mentality? Victim gaze? All these Psych 101 terms you keep projecting upon LOWF aren't the same thing, no matter how much you may want it to be otherwise, no matter how many times you post that it is. Exactitude matters. Be exact in your criticism.
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Sorry, didn't see all that in the Merriam Webster definition. But if trying more than winning is what matters to LOWFers you fuckers are clearly LOWF- cause this coaching search has clearly been a failure, yet you consider Ron's choice acceptable. Anyway, good luck on getting your definition of LOWF published.
 
BobStackFan4Life said:
Sorry, didn't see all that in the Merriam Webster definition. But if trying more than winning is what matters to LOWFers you fuckers are clearly LOWF- cause this coaching search has clearly been a failure, yet you consider Ron's choice acceptable. Anyway, good luck on getting your definition of LOWF published.
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I don't think most of the people you're reference are characterizing the hire as "acceptable." I think it's more of a fuck me, this has been so shitty for so long, let me try and give this guy a chance. Right, wrong or otherwise.
 
BobStackFan4Life said:
No. We got a guy who lost to Oral Roberts at home this past season. Who only has two years of head coaching experience and has had only one decent season. The unknowns outweigh the knowns by a mile.
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They won their conference, as well as the last 11 games they played going into the NCAAT. More than decent for Tulsa, who hadn't been to the tourney in 11 years. We could do this all day, but ultimately until you start looking at his adj numbers and some advanced stats, the superficial stuff is not discouraging.
 
BobStackFan4Life said:
Sorry, didn't see all that in the Merriam Webster definition. But if trying more than winning is what matters to LOWFers you fuckers are clearly LOWF- cause this coaching search has clearly been a failure, yet you consider Ron's choice acceptable. Anyway, good luck on getting your definition of LOWF published.
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I didn't invent the term. I just understand what it means.
 
Comparing Manning to Bzz is pretty dumb IMO, Bzz had a terrible fucking record before he was hired, it was an obviously bad hire. Bzz didn't deserve Bzz-wait. Manning has virtually no HC experience and I don't approve of the hire, but if he is hired he deserves some patience.
 
The obvious fear is that someday he'll be a great coach, but he will have to make a lot of first-time head coach mistakes along the way. And he will make those mistakes at a school which cannot afford for them to be made. Ours.

That said, "hoping against hope," I'll be #ManUp from Day 1 until proven otherwise.
 
I think it's a terrible hire. There's just not enough there to come to any firm conclusions. Of course I hope it works out. But I'm not gonna be an idiot and start trying to paint this as an acceptable hire.
 
myDeaconmyhand said:
Comparing Manning to Bzz is pretty dumb IMO, Bzz had a terrible fucking record before he was hired, it was an obviously bad hire. Bzz didn't deserve Bzz-wait. Manning has virtually no HC experience and I don't approve of the hire, but if he is hired he deserves some patience.
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Unfortunately, of which we are out of.
 
faxmachineanthem said:
#72 on Kenpom is one of Tulsa's better Kenpom rankings in the past 10 years. That doesn't suck.

Everyone would have like to see more of a track record. Everyone would prefer more of a sure thing. But the thing is, it's not that hard to win at Wake. It seems like those panicking have convinced themselves that it's going to take a Herculean effort to pull us out of the basement. It won't. If he can do better than average at Tulsa, he'll probably do at least average at Wake. Which for us would mean NCAA's more often than not after the roster turns over a bit. There's no legitimate reason to be extremly excited about Manning, but there's also no reason to lose hope over him.
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myDeaconmyhand said:
Comparing Manning to Bzz is pretty dumb IMO, Bzz had a terrible fucking record before he was hired, it was an obviously bad hire. Bzz didn't deserve Bzz-wait. Manning has virtually no HC experience and I don't approve of the hire, but if he is hired he deserves some patience.
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mdmh has a point, but the issue is that there is just nothing to suggest that Manning was an acceptable coaching candidate.

Contrary to the [name redacted] hiring, you're supposed to have credentials before you get hired to an ACC job. Like it or not and outside of the Colorado years (which were spun positively, iirc), Manning's look a lot like [name redacted]'s at Air Force. There's no way around that:

-Great credentials in an area that may or may not translate (NBA coaching expertise & one of the greatest college basketball players)
-success at a mid-major but without much of a sample size to qualify said success (Air Force & Tulsa)
-lots of mental gymnastics and speculation about recruiting (i.e. "he might have recruited Andre Roberson!" & "he might have recruited Xavier Henry!")
-the durable: "at worst he'll be average!"
-and finally "he'll be able to coach up our x-position!" (yep, that was one of [name redacted]'s strengths supposedly, too)

No reason to get excited about the basketball hire = no hope.

He'll do at least average? WTF happened to this fanbase.

Whatever y'alls psychiatrists are giving you - I want some.
 
Strickland33 said:
Dude. You're using two seasons as HC (his best was #72 kenpom) and a TON of speculation about what he actually did at KU to substantiate this point. Your "facts" are just as tenuous as other "facts."
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Love it when an argument devolves into who is entitled to what facts and whether someone's 'facts' are more valid than others.

There is uncertainty no matter whom we hire, but as Irish said a few page up, we shouldn't be so quick to dismiss what Danny Manning DOES have going for him. But I think more than 50% were looking for more of a "sure thing."
 
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