I know you're a huge Cal fan but I don't know of we can support his recruiting budget.
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I know you're a huge Cal fan but I don't know of we can support his recruiting budget.
Strickland33
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Looking at our 2015 offers, I think we could still make a solid run at Ingram, Manuel, and Dickerson.
For as skeptical as I am, I'm pretty excited to see what Manning can do on the recruiting trail.
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Danny Manning and Mark Maye, Luke's dad, must know each other. They were only a year apart as HS athletes in NC in the early 80s.
wakelaw13
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Don't we only have one scholarship available for 2015?
deacondamo
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The honeymoon is over, Danny.
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At $2 mil a year, there should be no honeymoon. When you demand that kind of money, you are implicitly promising a commensurate standard of performance.
That's total crap. You can only do so much with the talent you are handed.
As to the amount, it's a little above average the way the new ACC is. It's also only 2/3 as much as we offered Shaka. Would you have demanded Shaka make the Sweet 16 with group next year?
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Reading is fundamental. I said nothing about demanding a Sweet 16, ACC championship, or anything else. $2 mil a year demands improvement, nothing more, nothing less. Improvement in performance on the court. Improvement in communication with the fan base and selling the program off the court. Improvement in recruiting. I have no idea how many games Wake football will win next fall or the fall after, but we all can see that Dave Clawson is working his butt off and bringing immediate improvement in all aspects of the program, especially recruiting. For $2 mil a year, we have every right to expect the same from Danny Manning or anybody else who might have been hired.
You brought up the amount. The amount he's paid is what the going rate is. He's not getting a premium. He's getting close to 25% less than BuzzW is getting at VT which is a dramatically inferior job to Wake Forest.
You also stated "no honeymoon". That is unfair and unrealistic. No coach comes in and can immediately get the results you talk about.
Basketball recruiting is dramatically different than football recruiting. In bball, you have to create relationships. It's often a multi-year project with the better players. Add to this we have several needs and currently only one scholarship.
To give him "no honeymoon" regarding recruiting (2015) is grossly unfair. It's a process not a spigot.
If by some chance he can convince the Giles' to have Harry commit this summer, then it could be a spigot.
You also stated "no honeymoon". That is unfair and unrealistic. No coach comes in and can immediately get the results you talk about.
Basketball recruiting is dramatically different than football recruiting. In bball, you have to create relationships. It's often a multi-year project with the better players. Add to this we have several needs and currently only one scholarship.
To give him "no honeymoon" regarding recruiting (2015) is grossly unfair. It's a process not a spigot.
If by some chance he can convince the Giles' to have Harry commit this summer, then it could be a spigot.
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That's one of the reasons he is being paid more...also, he has more experience and more success.
If you don't expect results from an employee who is paid $2mil I need to find out how to get employed by you.
And "I've got a bridge to sell you"
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I never said such a thing. What I said was it's unrealistic to expect immediate and dramatic improvement from a roster with gaping holes.
The roster is coming back. Duke, Cuse, UNC, UVA, Pitt, and Louisville are all losing their best players. How are those not "gaping holes"?
Duke has a class coming in that is as good as or better than KY's was this year. UNC has the #3 class coming in.
We lose our only two real outside shooters and don't any. We didn't add any rebounding to bolster our terrible rebounding. So our roster coming back can't expect to fill huge gaps.
I understand that but if you can't compete with extremely young teams with 3-4* juniors (most returning starters) and one of the highest paid coaches in the ACC what's the point?
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be realistic
Manning got the going rate for a new coach in the ACC. Bz left a mess behind that will take more than one season to fix.
The roster as is right now would if everything goes right be in bubble contention next year. That was my realistic expectation for last years team which included MCkie and Williams. They lose Williams who was a crucial shooter and they lose Mckie who was a pretty big part of their offense.
I think we should all reserve judgement on expectation till we see how the roster shakes out. Preferably they'd bring in another shooter and have one or two guys transfer. The transfers will be the tricky part. Overton and Jones are expendable in my humble opinion. (i know this is looking at it callously) The offense should improve at the PG position with Mitchell running the point and CMM as the off guard. CMM needs to be more consistent and shoot better and maybe new coach new PG and being a junior that all comes together. Improvements from Cav, Moto, Tree(criminally misused and under used by redacted)
The Manning Thomas combination with Manning hopefully playing Thomas at the 4 where he won't b undersized constantly.
If the transfer spots open up I'd hope Manning would be able get some big men in to shore up rebounding. I think focusing on the salary is foolish.
I think we should all reserve judgement on expectation till we see how the roster shakes out. Preferably they'd bring in another shooter and have one or two guys transfer. The transfers will be the tricky part. Overton and Jones are expendable in my humble opinion. (i know this is looking at it callously) The offense should improve at the PG position with Mitchell running the point and CMM as the off guard. CMM needs to be more consistent and shoot better and maybe new coach new PG and being a junior that all comes together. Improvements from Cav, Moto, Tree(criminally misused and under used by redacted)
The Manning Thomas combination with Manning hopefully playing Thomas at the 4 where he won't b undersized constantly.
If the transfer spots open up I'd hope Manning would be able get some big men in to shore up rebounding. I think focusing on the salary is foolish.
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