Benghazi Report- a clusterfuck

[ONW]

I also think that neither Bush nor Obama are behind every decision made by every member of the government while they are President.

 

[Wrangor]

I thought it came off more as a criticism of both parties behavior and hypocrisy.

Not really. He pretty much said "Obama lied, meh".

 

[ONW]

What did Obama lie about re:Benghazi? Millions have been spent investigating Benghazi. Dozens of people have testified under oath. Everyone from Petreaus to multiple generals and State Department lifers stated that they made the decisions on what was said.

Lying to tell your girlfriend or wife that she looks good in those jeans is not the same as lying about having a three way with her two sisters every week for ten years.

Comparing the two is partisanship on steroids. Plus you didn't complain about any of the lies Bush told.

there's a huge difference between the two. W and his direct appointees personal directed the lies. We know this. There is massive evidence of it. There are thousands of pages of testimony and documents re: Benghazi and there is no evidence that Obama had anything to do with the talking points. We know who directed that.

Of course facts and testimony have no place with you.

I don't care who you are, that's terrific creative writing rj. I mean that in a good way. Wife, jeans, fat, threesomes with her sisters all in one sentence. Bravo

 

[Wrangor]

I also think that neither Bush nor Obama are behind every decision made by every member of the government while they are President.

Pretty clear Obama was behind Benghazi and bush was behind WMDs with regards to the spin/lies.

 

[Wrangor]

I don't care who you are, that's terrific creative writing rj. I mean that in a good way. Wife, jeans, fat, threesomes with her sisters all in one sentence. Bravo

Bingo!

 

[ONW]

Not really. He pretty much said "Obama lied, meh".

I thought it focused on the hypocrisy of both parties, but I understand other people interpreting it in their own way.

 

[RJKarl]

Yes both parties lie.

But the difference here is one was directed from the WH and cost 180,000+ lives and multiples of that in serious injuries versus an assumed ie that was political and didn't cost any lives.

There's also a huge difference in that dozens of people testified under oath stating neither Obama nor Clinton had anything to do with the talking points. Why would so many risk jail and their careers and their pensions?

Both parties do lie. But millions have been spent and there is o evidence tying Obama or Hillary to any lies about Benghazi.

I know this sucks for Wrangor and the RW yahoos, but it is the truth. It's mind-boggling to try to equate these lies.

 

[WakeandBake]

So any two lies told by two different leaders carry the same weight and importance and relevance, despite the context and circumstances?

 

[Wrangor]

So any two lies told by two different leaders carry the same weight and importance and relevance, despite the context and circumstances?

Exactly what said. Brilliant comprehension.

I don't see how George bush has anything to do with Benghazi. But maybe that's just me. I think we have established that bush sucks. It has zero to do with the topic at hand other than as a ploy by RJ and you to divert the attention from the topic at hand. Please tell me something more about bush that I don't already know that has nothing to do with Benghazi.

 

[ONW]

Exactly what said. Brilliant comprehension.

I don't see how George bush has anything to do with Benghazi. But maybe that's just me. I think we have established that bush sucks. It has zero to do with the topic at hand other than as a ploy by RJ and you to divert the attention from the topic at hand. Please tell me something more about bush that I don't already know that has nothing to do with Benghazi.

Sorry, Wrangor, but you have completely lost me with this post.

 

[ChrisL68]

Not really. He pretty much said "Obama lied, meh".

It's more criticism of Faux News and their cottage industry that creates this Faux outrage that just drips with hypocrisy. He said nothing good about Obama or their actions in Benghazi, but pointed out the comparable minor nature of this compared to many instances in the Bush era that were totally glossed over and defended.

 

[Wrangor]

So it is a good criticism if Fox News. I agree. Fox is hypocritical. That really has nothing to do with Obama lying and the media deflecting/glossing it over; which is exactly what this thread illustrates.

We have moved through the following stages:

1. Obama isn't lying dissenters are tin foil idiots

2. Obama might be lying but we aren't sure so we might as well drop it

3. Meh, looks like Obama is lying but I don't really care

4. Ok, evidence seems pretty clear Obama concocted a bogus story to maintain/gain political momentum during an election but it either doesn't matter and bush lied worse so apparently it is ok.


It is a pretty fascinating exercise for a group of people who 8 years ago would have probably placed a pretty high premium on their president not lying directly to their face to save his own rear end.

 

[ChrisL68]

Didn't sound like Brian Williams was glossing it over and deflecting. He reported the story. Kinda in the same way that stories about Iraq were reported.

And I am certainly not saying what was done here by this administration was OK. It wasn't. I am not going to take my shirt off and run around with my mouth foaming about it. I didn't do that with the multiple issues about Iraq either.

 

[bigdoublezero]

So it is a good criticism if Fox News. I agree. Fox is hypocritical. That really has nothing to do with Obama lying and the media deflecting/glossing it over; which is exactly what this thread illustrates.

We have moved through the following stages:

1. Obama isn't lying dissenters are tin foil idiots

2. Obama might be lying but we aren't sure so we might as well drop it

3. Meh, looks like Obama is lying but I don't really care

4. Ok, evidence seems pretty clear Obama concocted a bogus story to maintain/gain political momentum during an election but it either doesn't matter and bush lied worse so apparently it is ok.


It is a pretty fascinating exercise for a group of people who 8 years ago would have probably placed a pretty high premium on their president not lying directly to their face to save his own rear end.

Who are these people going through these stages? RJKarl? It's been pretty clear from the start that the White House was doing damage control and that the election played a role in that.

 

[ChrisL68]

Democratic media lapdog Chris Matthews on MSNBC on Benghazi. You often see stuff like this on Fox news re: Republican administrations.



I will start taking seriously the claim that MSNBC is as bad as Fox when somebody shows me a video of a Fox regular cheerleader being as critical of a Republican as this.

 

[WakeandBake]

So it is a good criticism if Fox News. I agree. Fox is hypocritical. That really has nothing to do with Obama lying and the media deflecting/glossing it over; which is exactly what this thread illustrates.

We have moved through the following stages:

1. Obama isn't lying dissenters are tin foil idiots

2. Obama might be lying but we aren't sure so we might as well drop it

3. Meh, looks like Obama is lying but I don't really care

4. Ok, evidence seems pretty clear Obama concocted a bogus story to maintain/gain political momentum during an election but it either doesn't matter and bush lied worse so apparently it is ok.


It is a pretty fascinating exercise for a group of people who 8 years ago would have probably placed a pretty high premium on their president not lying directly to their face to save his own rear end.

I never said any of that. I was working from the perspective that even supposing the admin was lying, it isn't a scandal like you are making it out to be. I was giving you that for the sake of argument, and your tirade still makes no sense in the context of presidencies and government vis a vis 'lying.' If you are going to hold candidates and presidents to the standard you are holding Obama in this particular situation and context, then no president or candidate would ever pass muster for you. That is the point. Polishing turds is what they do on every issue and at worst is what happened here, and you have glommed onto this as some kind of capital scandal. I said pages go that there are plenty of other lies from this admin that are much worse for Americans that you aren't putting on the pedestal you are putting this lie on, if he really lied.

 

[PhDeac]

Bush lied. People died.

People died. Obama lied.

 

[WFFaithful]

Bush lied. People died.

People died. Obama lied.

but....but......

 

[RJKarl]

So it is a good criticism if Fox News. I agree. Fox is hypocritical. That really has nothing to do with Obama lying and the media deflecting/glossing it over; which is exactly what this thread illustrates.

We have moved through the following stages:

1. Obama isn't lying dissenters are tin foil idiots

2. Obama might be lying but we aren't sure so we might as well drop it

3. Meh, looks like Obama is lying but I don't really care

4. Ok, evidence seems pretty clear Obama concocted a bogus story to maintain/gain political momentum during an election but it either doesn't matter and bush lied worse so apparently it is ok.


It is a pretty fascinating exercise for a group of people who 8 years ago would have probably placed a pretty high premium on their president not lying directly to their face to save his own rear end.

Nobody is saying this.

None of it is true.

 

[19deac92]

I never said any of that. I was working from the perspective that even supposing the admin was lying, it isn't a scandal like you are making it out to be. I was giving you that for the sake of argument, and your tirade still makes no sense in the context of presidencies and government vis a vis 'lying.' If you are going to hold candidates and presidents to the standard you are holding Obama in this particular situation and context, then no president or candidate would ever pass muster for you. That is the point. Polishing turds is what they do on every issue and at worst is what happened here, and you have glommed onto this as some kind of capital scandal. I said pages go that there are plenty of other lies from this admin that are much worse for Americans that you aren't putting on the pedestal you are putting this lie on, if he really lied.

It looks like you have hit for the cycle on Wrangor's progression.