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KanhojiAngre said:
They're going to end up with a lot of new players trying to slot into the side because the side Van Gaal inherited was not very good, which is exactly why Richard Scudamore gave them a cakewalk of a starting schedule -- because he regards the Premier League as weakened with a struggling Man U, and so he had to give Van Gaal the best chance of being able to integrate all of the new faces.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...l-appeal-Premier-League-admits-Scudamore.html

Obviously if that's Scudamore's view, he's going to do everything he can to prevent that harm from continuing. Pretty obvious but the Manchester/London centered media is silent.
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Oh my.

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Amazing that Scudamore, with that OBVIOUS VIEW, gave Manchester United such a rough start at the beginning of last season. He's a wily one, that Scudamore!
 
deacvision7 said:
What? Are you seriously saying that?

Were Chelsea a "rubbish" side? Added Cesc Fabregas and Diego Costa this summer. They were clearly a rubbish side!

Liverpool were rubbish! Adding Lallana and Lambert, possibly adding Lovren, Alexis Sanchez, and Markovic too. RUBBISH SIDE!

Because only terrible teams try to buy players.
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Chelsea had an obvious weakness at striker despite their overall season. I don't really know why they wanted Fabregas except for prestige and to tweak Arsenal fans. Not sure what much he offers over Hazard, Oscar, Willian, Schurrle, etc. you get the idea. And Mourinho won't fully unleash them anyway.

Liverpool is adding versatility and options to their squad, not trying to paper over previous mistakes. And you forgot Emre Can, who also adds versatility and options. Personally I'd rather seen them add Alderweireld than Lovren; if that doesn't happen then Alderweireld would be a great option for Southampton to replace Lovren IMO. Plus if Liverpool sells Suarez as almost seems likely now with the talk that personal terms with Barca are all but done, then without making reinvestments they would obviously be a weakened team.
 
deacvision7 said:
[h=1]Kenny Dalglish on Luis Suarez: Liverpool shouldn't just turn their backs on him[/h]
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I agree, but if he wants to go and Barcelona is willing to pay a fair price for a player of his quality, then it's not turning their backs. Suarez might well be happier and less pressurized away from the incredible biases he's faced in England from the press, the FA and the officials (which has probably been from the FA as well) and his family may be happier as well.
 
And United had obvious weaknesses at CM, that they have helped strengthen with Ander and a soon to be weakness at LB with an aging Patrice Evra.

So, along with Chelsea, it seems they have done well to plug holes into their squad, no?



I did completely forget about Emre Can, 10 mil for him right? Good business.
 
deacvision7 said:
Amazing that Scudamore, with that OBVIOUS VIEW, gave Manchester United such a rough start at the beginning of last season. He's a wily one, that Scudamore!
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Yeah, so this is not in any way relevant. Like you said, Man U was coming off a championship and so there was no drain on the "global brand" to be concerned about. It's just interesting how if other clubs struggle, it's no big deal...but when Man U finishes 7th, it's a crisis that has be addressed.

But there's no bias...nah.
 
KanhojiAngre said:
I agree, but if he wants to go and Barcelona is willing to pay a fair price for a player of his quality, then it's not turning their backs. Suarez might well be happier and less pressurized away from the incredible biases he's faced in England from the press, the FA and the officials (which has probably been from the FA as well) and his family may be happier as well.
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Biases? He has racially abused one player, bitten another, and admitted to diving to cheat a way to points. It's not like they just randomly decided to go after him.

And the writers just named him as their player of the year and there were a litany of articles out that Suarez was a "changed man" now.


Goodness, this persecution complex you've got going on is nearly as strong as Luis Suarez's!
 
TownieDeac said:
when pool does it, they're adding versatility and options to their squad

when other teams do it though, they're weak
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Chelsea wasn't weak, they just had a big weakness and they have a sugar daddy.

When you finish 7th after bringing in midfielders and are still bringing in midfielders (sub-international ones at that) because your midfield still sucked, then yeah, it's because you have a weakness you're desperately trying to address. Obvious to everyone but you, apparently.
 
KanhojiAngre said:
Yeah, so this is not in any way relevant. Like you said, Man U was coming off a championship and so there was no drain on the "global brand" to be concerned about. It's just interesting how if other clubs struggle, it's no big deal...but when Man U finishes 7th, it's a crisis that has be addressed.

But there's no bias...nah.
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FA BIAS in favor of Manchester United.


Scholes and Beckham get sent off in a pre-season friendly. FA rule they are suspended to start the Premier League season.
Gerrard gets sent off in the exact same friendly competition the next season. No suspension to start the Premier League season.

Rio Ferdinand forgets a drug testing after training, returns later that day to take it, but official already left. Takes it the very next day and passes. 8 month ban.
Kolo Toure fails a drug test and comes up positive for performance enhancing drugs. 6 month ban.


It's not biased towards Man United or any other club. The FA are just mental.
 
deacvision7 said:
Biases? He has racially abused one player, bitten another, and admitted to diving to cheat a way to points. It's not like they just randomly decided to go after him.

And the writers just named him as their player of the year and there were a litany of articles out that Suarez was a "changed man" now.

Goodness, this persecution complex you've got going on is nearly as strong as Luis Suarez's!
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Went a whole year without being able to get a call that mattered, pretty much. Still endured abuse throughout last season that was dutifully blown up by the media even after they gave muted praise out the other side of their mouths.

There was no way he couldn't be named player of the year because the award would have been rendered meaningless had he not. He had the season anyone's ever had in the Premiership.

And to your remonstrations about his behavior...again, you support the club that made Roy Keane a captain. You have no credibility.
 
KanhojiAngre said:
Chelsea wasn't weak, they just had a big weakness and they have a sugar daddy.

When you finish 7th after bringing in midfielders and are still bringing in midfielders (sub-international ones at that) because your midfield still sucked, then yeah, it's because you have a weakness you're desperately trying to address. Obvious to everyone but you, apparently.
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Problem is you said that Man United were weak when Moyes took over, the season after they were Champions and won it with 4 games to go.

Now you are switching your argument in hopes that you won't be caught. You were not successful.
 
deacvision7 said:
And United had obvious weaknesses at CM, that they have helped strengthen with Ander and a soon to be weakness at LB with an aging Patrice Evra.

I would argue Evra is already to the weakness stage. But yeah, so that's 3 midfield buys in the last year and pursuing more. So you admit that United has weakness in midfield, and it's obvious they have issues in defense with Ferdinand and Vidic gone and Evra fading fast. RB is no great strength either. So why the offense at the implication that it's a weak squad that Van Gaal thinks must be upgraded quickly with a large transfer outlay? It's obvious, it's happening.

So, along with Chelsea, it seems they have done well to plug holes into their squad, no?

I did completely forget about Emre Can, 10 mil for him right? Good business.
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Love it. Dunno if Hyppia had a role in that or not but really like what I see of him in the all-touches videos I've watched against their better opponents. Plus he looks a little like young Stalin, which wins the approval of my female Liverpool fan friends.
 
deacvision7 said:
Problem is you said that Man United were weak when Moyes took over, the season after they were Champions and won it with 4 games to go.

Now you are switching your argument in hopes that you won't be caught. You were not successful.
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I think they were a lot of smoke and mirrors the year before and were an aging side that got old fast. Their midfield was clearly vulnerable and Moyes knew that, but Fellaini didn't work out for whatever reason even though he did under the same coach in a different setting. That was weird, definitely didn't him to flop like that. Maybe some of the other players at Everton contributed more to Fellaini's success than the Man U counterparts could, or maybe the combination of Fellaini, Rooney and Van Persie didn't work right.

But it's obvious that they didn't have much of a midfield. We know that now based on performance and based on Van Gaal obviously having no faith in the one he's inheriting (not thinking they were just misused, clearly). We didn't necessarily know how bad before the season started.
 
And to get right to the point, it's obvious Van Gaal doesn't think that Moyes just did a crap job with a title-caliber group of players. If he did, he wouldn't be risking bringing in so many new faces that could unsettle those fabulous talents that the daft Scotsman screwed up with.
 
Saying Mata is a CM is very disingenuous. Mata could never play CM. He is an attacking player.

Fellaini, for the price we paid, was a bad buy. He is a squad player given his technique and control, but could do a job if we are chasing a game and cause havoc with his size. Basically, I'd lump him on the bench and use him as a super sub when I needed a goal.


As for...
it's obvious they have issues in defense with Ferdinand and Vidic gone and Evra fading fast. RB is no great strength either. So why the offense at the implication that it's a weak squad that Van Gaal thinks must be upgraded quickly with a large transfer outlay? It's obvious, it's happening.
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Again, your argument started by saying the squad that Moyes took over was weak. If you wish to change that to the squad we now have is weak, I would be much more likely to agree with.


When Moyes took over United had Rio and Vidic, Evra was a year younger than he is now, and Rafael was coming off a season where he was the best or 2nd best RB in the PL (Zab being the other.)


Also, Vidic is basically on record saying he regrets signing with Inter so hastily, but he figured Moyes was coming back and that's why he left. So Moyes again shoulders some of the blame for our defense looking weaker now than when he took over.


We've needed midfield reinforcements for ages. Sir Alex Ferguson made a big mistake by never addressing that glaring need. LvG is fixing it this summer, and I'm thankful for that.
 
KanhojiAngre said:
And to get right to the point, it's obvious Van Gaal doesn't think that Moyes just did a crap job with a title-caliber group of players. If he did, he wouldn't be risking bringing in so many new faces that could unsettle those fabulous talents that the daft Scotsman screwed up with.
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Again... 2000/01 Man United won the Premier League by 10 points.

That summer United paid nearly 30 million for Juan Veron (Scholes and Keane were still in their prime) and 20 million for RvN.


Good teams always try to get better. Buying players is not a glaring sign that somebody thinks what they've got is crap, as you keep suggesting.
 
deacvision7 said:
Saying Mata is a CM is very disingenuous. Mata could never play CM. He is an attacking player.

He's not a striker though. He's a non-defending midfielder like Kagawa, another expensive buy that has failed to pan out. And Herrera for that matter, his defensive work doesn't look real impressive either.

Fellaini, for the price we paid, was a bad buy. He is a squad player given his technique and control, but could do a job if we are chasing a game and cause havoc with his size. Basically, I'd lump him on the bench and use him as a super sub when I needed a goal.

Say that now, but when he was bought it didn't look so obvious. It looked like they overpaid, but for a useful player. Turns out they vastly overpaid for a player that did almost nothing.

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Again, your argument started by saying the squad that Moyes took over was weak. If you wish to change that to the squad we now have is weak, I would be much more likely to agree with.

Both are true. If they weren't, then Van Gaal would just be taking last year as a one off under a bad manager and focusing on getting that sterling talent back up to its potential. He's not. He's bringing in players to try to replace those that were found to be not good enough.

Also, Vidic is basically on record saying he regrets signing with Inter so hastily, but he figured Moyes was coming back and that's why he left. So Moyes again shoulders some of the blame for our defense looking weaker now than when he took over.

Not sure why this matters. 50 league appearances the last 3 years, nearly 33 years old. Seems like he was past being good enough to invest significantly in anyway.

We've needed midfield reinforcements for ages. Sir Alex Ferguson made a big mistake by never addressing that glaring need. LvG is fixing it this summer, and I'm thankful for that.
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OK so we agree that the midfield Moyes took over, the main problem in the team last year, was not very good. And that the defense was aging quickly and wasn't good enough either, especially with Vidic's continued injury problems which were not new. So we're back to the strikers and goalkeeper being the only parts of the squad really up to the task. Glad we're finally on the same page.
 
Herrera not good at defending? You've clearly never watched him play. Like ever.


Bilbao played him in the #10 role, but that isn't where he is best. He is a classic #8. Could even play the #4 role quite well.
 
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