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The real impact of Citizens United showing more and more

Pubs wil not be able to take the Senate in 2014.
 
US Senate voted to advance a constitutional amendment to overturn Citizens United decision
 
WakeandBake said:
Forget the Supreme Court and the bill of rights for a moment. Do you think CU all the corporate money in politics is good for America?
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Sure. Corporations are people too. Every person deserves a vote and an opportunity to buy the representative of their choice.
 
Republicans have blocked the constitutional amendment to overrule the Citizens United decision.

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WFFaithful said:
Republicans have blocked the constitutional amendment to overrule the Citizens United decision.

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If that ever made it to the ballot, the ads about it would be insane. Ridiculous amounts of money spent.
 
It's hard to fathom that the founding fathers intended for free speech to mean this. They fucking hated politics
 
WakeandBake said:
It's hard to fathom that the founding fathers intended for free speech to mean this. They fucking hated politics
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Somebody could stand to do a little more reading. I grow weary of the public school filth that clutters up these hallowed pages.
 
It's not "virtually every legal scholar". It's more like "every conservative legal scholar". Several Justices of the SC disagree as do many legal scholars.

http://takingnote.blogs.nytimes.com...ney-is-not-speech/?_php=true&_type=blogs&_r=0

We are talking about interstate commerce not "free speech". There's absolutely no question that commerce can be regulated.

Thomas Paine and Ben Franklin understood the difference, yet nothing about advertising is mentioned in the 1st Amendment.

Free speech is about the ability not to be imprisoned for your political beliefs. It's not about paid advertising.
 
Canadians -- those pathetic Canucks,eh -- they don't allow corporate or union money in campaigns.

I believe this contributes to more vibrant democracy wherein the citizen has a more active role and doesn't feel nearly as helpless as the average joe-blow in the us
 
As usual, when Junebug's original position is shown not to be so, he changes the position. I showed a detailed statement by a well-respected Justice that money isn't speech. So Junebug changes the subject.

As recently as April, four Justices disagreed with eliminating federal donation limits. They effectively said donations can be limited by law.
 
RJKarl said:
It's not "virtually every legal scholar". It's more like "every conservative legal scholar". Several Justices of the SC disagree as do many legal scholars.

http://takingnote.blogs.nytimes.com...ney-is-not-speech/?_php=true&_type=blogs&_r=0

We are talking about interstate commerce not "free speech". There's absolutely no question that commerce can be regulated.

Thomas Paine and Ben Franklin understood the difference, yet nothing about advertising is mentioned in the 1st Amendment.

Free speech is about the ability not to be imprisoned for your political beliefs. It's not about paid advertising.
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That article I linked was written by Geoffrey Stone. He's on the board of directors for the American Constitution Society (the liberal counterpart to the Federalist Society).

The idea that money isn't speech just isn't a strong argument.

Edit: JP Stevens is on the exact same page as Stone, by the way. Money isn't always speech when it is used to purchase something, but it's certainly speech when it is used to finance speech itself--e.g., campaign advertising.
 
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So some people just have more speech than others.
 
I guess. What I don't get is that if there are reasonable limits to the expression of free speech, why wouldn't money as speech be subject to limits as well?
 
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