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Democratic Candidates for POTUS, 2016 edition

birdman said:
Sorry, RJ, but Trump supporters don't care about facts and data. It will be very hard to change their minds. The key to beating him is convincing enough people that they should vote against him.
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You may well be right.
 
FuckmouthedRube said:
CA Senate primary: Harris-40, Sanchez-19, Sundheim-8%. Top 'Pub got less than half of the second place Dem. Two minority women and no 'Pub on the November Senate ballot will depress Trump turnout.

May not matter if Trump doesn't listen to anyone, but he desperately needs some political pros around him. Huge waste of time to have spent five days in CA rather than in NJ or general election swing states. Also a mistake to be endorsing Ellmers (or anyone for that matter) in a swing state House primary between sitting GOP incumbents. Why let voters know you can't move the needle in a state you'll need in November?
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He has no chance in NJ either.

Even if he picks Christie, he has no chance in Jersey.

Trump screwed tons of people and businesses in S. Jersey. Most would vote for Nicky Scarfo over Trump.
 
Coworker today was saying he saw a poll where trump polls worse in jersey with Christie on the ticket than without him.
 
FuckmouthedRube said:
Don't think it will be a landslide, but the race won't be all that close either, so Hillary will have room to spare in the Senate. Wish Warren had run, but think Brown would be the best VP option. Thanks to Trump, Hillary doesn't need help with women or Latinos. Trump will make his stand in the Rust Belt, and he's done without PA or OH. Brown fits better than Franken in those states and Hillary needs to shore up liberal support. Trump really screwed up the map by essentially forfeiting the West. If Trump blows up AZ too, Dems just need IA & NH, so Franken could work.
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I don't think it's worth losing a senate seat. Similar problem with Warren, but I thought I read something the other day that, depending on the timing of an announcement she's leaving her senate seat, MA law may require a special election rather than have the gov appoint. If true, Warren would be great on 2 fronts. First, she'd make Bernie irrelevant if he's going to be a problem. Second, she's a great attack dog on Drumpf.

We were talking about the whole senate effect a few weeks ago, and I strongly feel Clinton shouldn't pick a senator where it's possible you'd lose that seat. Which is why I don't want her to tap Kaine - I think McAuliffe with his recent ethical problems would be dead meat in 2 years. Or Brown. Or Warren unless you get a special election to replace. As I said a few weeks ago, the 2 current senators who would have no effect are McCaskill and Franken - Franken because a dem who'd likely get re-elected would be appointed, and McCaskill because she's dead woman walking in 2 years anyway, and Nixon would appoint himself for those 2 years. McCaskill and Franken would also make good attack dogs for the campaign.
 
NJ was the only primary last night where Trump broke 80%. Barely had more votes than Bernie, but still 200K behind Hillary. Only got 67% in South Dakota. Crazy to spend anywhere other than PA, NH, and ME in the Northeast. Like CA, fundraise only in NY since it's an expensive state destined for a double digit loss.
 
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Wakeforest22890 said:
Coworker today was saying he saw a poll where trump polls worse in jersey with Christie on the ticket than without him.
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Christie's approval rating hits record low in another poll

Gov. Christie’s job rating has hit a record low in another poll, with 26 percent of registered New Jersey voters approving and 65 percent disapproving.

The poll released Monday by Monmouth University also found most New Jerseyans – 68 percent – think the Republican governor endorsed Donald Trump for president to get a job in the billionaire businessman’s administration.
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NJ is pretty much done with the guy.
 
cville deac said:
I don't think it's worth losing a senate seat. Similar problem with Warren, but I thought I read something the other day that, depending on the timing of an announcement she's leaving her senate seat, MA law may require a special election rather than have the gov appoint. If true, Warren would be great on 2 fronts. First, she'd make Bernie irrelevant if he's going to be a problem. Second, she's a great attack dog on Drumpf.
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https://www.bostonglobe.com/news/po...dential-nod/3FSrNJlAhqRoiWt6iQMK7J/story.html

Basically Dems potentially would be down a Senator for three months if Warren submit a resignation letter the day after the election effective Inaguration Day until a special election. Could maybe run Deval Patrick.

Another added bonus would be Trump yammering on about the women's card. Warren would be an excellent option.
 
From Warren's POV, with a Dem majority in the Senate, she may be the most powerful person in the Senate. Would she want to be a second fiddle or below as VP? If she stays in the Senate, she could basically run the place.

Where would she get more done?
 
The best article I've seen on racial divides within the Democratic party.
http://www.politico.com/magazine/st...y-clinton-democrats-race-racial-divide-213948

Read any number of pieces analyzing the Democratic race and it becomes clear just how unaware the party is about the racial land mines. They present data showing a racial divide within Democratic ranks but discount it, displaying a kind of wishful thinking indicative of those who don’t fully appreciate the power of race to shape relationships.
Jonathan Chait came closest to recognizing the looming problem in a piece that was published in early April, detailing why black voters are pragmatists:
“That refusal to accept the necessity of compromise in a winner-take-all two-party system (and an electorate in which conservatives still outnumber liberals) is characteristic of a certain idealistic style of left-wing politics. Its conception of voting as an act of performative virtue has largely confined itself to white left-wing politics, because it is at odds with the political tradition of a community that has always viewed political compromise as a practical necessity. The expectation that a politician should agree with you on everything is the ultimate expression of privilege.”
As perceptive as that analysis is, it fails to fully account for the racial divide. The tensions within the party aren’t only about purity vs. pragmatism; they have to do with how life is lived and perceived. And though millennials aren’t stuck in the mud on race the way the generations that came before them can be—in large part because they don’t have scars from the 20[SUP]th[/SUP] century's contentious civil rights battles—they are not ushering the country into a post-racial age as some have claimed.
People of color, like their white Democratic counterparts, may also want a revolution and more rapid progress than the halting kind that comes with pragmatism, but they’ve time and again seen incremental change improve their lives. That’s why they embrace Martin Luther King Jr. without question while revering Malcolm X from a distance. That’s why they are much more enthusiastic about the Affordable Care Act—which has helped minority Americans the most— than white progressives who have either been lukewarm or, in some cases, even hostile to health reform because they don’t believe it was radical enough.
Minority voters are more likely than white Democratic voters to giddily give Obama credit for an economic recovery that has shaved the unemployment rate in half, produced the lowest level of jobless claims since the ‘70s, and an unprecedented monthly job creation streak that has lasted more than six years, all coming on the heels of the worst economic downturn since the Great Depression. And he got Osama bin Laden, saved the domestic auto industry, ushered through the largest economic stimulus in history—one derisively dismissed as too small by many liberals—and the first significant Wall Street reform in a generation, while advancing gay rights like no president before him despite the initial reluctance by his numerous religious black voters to embrace same sex marriage.
Why? Because many white Democratic voters missed the sentiment shared among black Obama voters in 2008 that, once again, the “first black” was being handed a seemingly impossible task—two ground wars, a collapsing economy, a record deficit—and if he wasn’t able to perform a miracle, it would not only be his failure, but that of black people in general. To downplay what he has been able to achieve despite the obstacles, which also included an unprecedented level of obstruction from the GOP, confirms a fear shared by many people of color—Democratic or otherwise—that no matter what they achieve, it will never be enough. Sanders and Susan Sarandon may sincerely believe things are so awful only a revolution can heal the country’s ills. But their overwrought rhetoric, and no more than lukewarm support of Obama’s accomplishments, taps into that deeply-held frustration among minorities.
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PhDeac said:
The best article I've seen on racial divides within the Democratic party.
http://www.politico.com/magazine/st...y-clinton-democrats-race-racial-divide-213948
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Truth or not, still mostly bullshit. Obama's presidency hasn't been perfect, and no candidate should be faulted for recognizing that. Good on Hillary for strategically implanting herself up his ass. It was very smart of her to recognize that black Americans would totally forget about the negative campaign she ran against him just a few years ago.
 
dot com said:
That's a good message. There's so many GOP running unopposed in NC, I don't know how the Dems don't even put a name on the ballot. Is it that much a hassle/cost?
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Not that the Dems didn't do it for 100 years, but I know where I live I would have absolutely no chance to win due to the gerrymandering. It's like 80% Republicans.

I would also be running on an extremely friendly gay rights/gun control ticket. That's not going to get a lot of votes in Davie County/non-downtown Forsyth County.
 
dot com said:
That's a good message. There's so many GOP running unopposed in NC, I don't know how the Dems don't even put a name on the ballot. Is it that much a hassle/cost?
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Don't forget to write in The Doofus in the 5th.
 
She would have far less power than as the leader in the Senate.
 
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