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Wake Forest's own Tommy Elrod caught leaking football information to other teams

donaldross said:
Not really, but if they have the goods, I'm interested in seeing them. It's not enough for me that they say they have them. Not defending my friend, but if they have them, show them. If you're going to end a guy's life, it's not enough to just do it. Show us.
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yea PM Please

PM please. said:
I don't know that he is a friend, but that's the conclusion that I drew from his conclusion, unless or until evidence is presented otherwise. Makes you wonder... I'll wait and see.
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Anyone that thinks Ron Wellman had the final say in this being released really has no clue as to how a university works. Wake Forest doesn't release this if it hasn't been approved by Hatch first. And Hatch isn't going to approve releasing it if he doesn't first know it isn't going to put the university at risk.

I can almost guarantee there was a meeting yesterday involving Hatch, Wellman, whoever is in charge of PR for the university and at least one, if not multiple, lawyers. Maybe a few other people, but at the very least, those listed.
 
Pilchard said:
WF has an in house general counsel (J. Reid Morgan). When WF needs to hire outside counsel for any matter, it would be the general counsel who would handle that. Depending on the expertise needed, WF has several firms at the ready.
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Wake has several in house attorneys on staff. I feel very confident that Wake is getting solid legal advice. I think to assume otherwise is kinda crazy.
 
donaldross said:
Again, I have no information more than what has been reported. But I've been around the block a few times in matters like this. I'm waiting on all of the information to come out before hardening my opinion against Elrod or WF. Everyone has an interest here. Elrod's silence signals nothing, he has to be muzzled, just as the Duke Lacrosse players were.
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I get that we are all upset here but let's keep threats of violence out of this. I don't want to have to remove posts but some of you are crossing the line and I don't think any of us want to be associated with that stuff were it to happen.
 
donaldross said:
I'm impressed WF took a stand. Very unWellmanlike. I'm interested in more facts. What was provided? In return for what? But it certainly doesn't looks good for my friend of 20 years Tom Elrod. If I was representing him (which I am not) & there was more to this story, I would want it out NOW.
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Not just a friend, a friend of 20 years
 
coredeac said:
You don't need "brilliant legal counsel" to know that you don't completely ruin a guy's career unless you have cold, hard evidence. Anyone with an IQ above 80 knows this.
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No offense, Richard Brodhead.
 
Exactly, how quickly everyone forgets Duke Lacrosse and throws tar at anyone daring to ask questions about anyone with a clean record accused of such horrible conduct.
 
2&2 Slider To Leyritz said:
Why not? The athletic department would have different attorneys than the university as a whole. The dude doing 501(c)(3) filings or real estate development wouldn't be advising on athletic matters.
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Pretty sure this is exactly how it works, actually. Advising on athletic matters? Perhaps not. Advising on legal matters involving the athletics department including contracts and shit? Yeah, think general legal counsel handles this at most universities.

I may or may not have a friend who works for a large state school's general counsel who has told me about working on athletic department shit AND real estate shit.
 
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wfumike02 said:
The conclusion I draw, in conjunction with Shutt's statement, is that there are now one or more - most likely more - investigations going on now so that's all they are going to say for the time being.

Elrod not commenting is unsurprising given his retention of a criminal attorney.

I also find it hard to believe, but I'm not going to read things into this that aren't there. At the same time, they have said enough that this is a seven figure defamation suit if they can't back it up. That tells me a lot.
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Oh no! How many prongs this time?
 
donaldross said:
Exactly. That's the conclusion they want everyone to take from this. Without allowing us to see why. They may well be correct. I don't know. I represent neither Wake nor Elrod in this particular matter. But I know Wellman has every reason to scapegoat Elrod if there is more to this story. Easy enough for Wake to get it out there. Of course Elrod has to zip it. No matter the facts he would have to zip it.
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LOLZ. Dude NO ONE thinks that you represent Wake or Elrod in this matter. Like no one. Not one single poster is confused, even BSF, who has the brains that got promised a bag of public school hammers. But thanks for clearing that up, counselor.
 
donaldross said:
The conclusion I draw from this is our AD thinks we are just going to believe everything they say without proof because he believes he is really, really smart. And we aren't. Oh wait, that's the conclusion I already had from the last 24 years. You have completely trashed someone who has spent the last 20 years with us and actually attended Wake. Let's see why. If you have the goods, we're ready to fry him. But I doubt he actually gave them our plays. Clawson calls it "incomprehensible." Riley Skinner calls him a "stand up guy" and finds it "hard to believe." Forgive me for agreeing.
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I don't even understand what nutty conspiracy theory you're trying to push here. In the Duke lacrosse case, someone from the outside made an accusation that needed to be addressed. Duke handled their reaction to that in the worst way possible.

Here there would be no accusation if Wake itself didn't start the whole thing. So what's the motivation to do that? There was no serious push to fire anyone for this football season. By Wake's standards, this was a "good" year. Why would the AD start a groundless witch hunt?
 
For those wondering about legal counsel advising the University, remember that he wasn't fired from two jobs by the University. He was fired by two separate independent employers, who have their own in-house counsel and retained law firms to advise them on how to proceed. They are the ones exposed to wrongful termination suits by Elrod, and you had better believe they made sure the evidence was collected properly and that it was on their side before they acted.
 
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