simosfrostyone
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Could you pack in a few more stereotypes? Almost seems like race tinged vitriol.
The Audacity of Hopelessness
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Could you pack in a few more stereotypes? Almost seems like race tinged vitriol.
You spend a lot of time in right wing churches and listening to right wing radio? No? But you heard about all that hate while listening to NPR.
I see. Must be a bunch of racist that elected Trump. Couldn't possibly be anything else.
You guys are amazing.
It's okay to think outside that little box of yours. Take a step outside. The sky is blue and the weather is nice.
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Yeah I lean left but I'm a corporate tax consultant for one of the largest tobacco companies in the US
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I know what you do. To be honest, I had always thought you were one of the more reasonable posters here. That seemed to change when you were defending Hillary.
I am glad that you are slowly returning to your old self. I expect it to take a while. In the mean time, I am here for you.
No doubt about it.
Strickland33
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What part?
The part where I suggested that there is a solid chunk of the population that legitimately and irrevocably hates the president (e.g., Trump's base, Congressional obstructionists' bases, the tea party, trumpettes, meme sharers, alt-right, Breitbart/FOX News-o-sphere, 4chan cesspool, etc.)
or,
the part where I suggested that the phenomenon is not limited to Obama.
The former - seeing as we just elected the most outspoken birther who ran on reversing the last eight years of policy and was relentlessly critical of POTUS - doesn't seem like it's too controversial.
Would you like to discuss your disagreement with the latter? What do you think Republicans might have been willing to compromise on? Do you feel a characterization of congress the last 6-8 years as obstructionist is legitimate in the first place?
An ideologue needs an ideology. What is Obama's ideology?
DeaconSig
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Islam. Duh.
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myDeaconmyhand
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That is a stupid post for multiple reasons: 1. You don't know me. 2. I quite obviously live on Peters Creek Parkway in Winston-Salem (check "location" under my join date) not exactly an elitist's haven. 3. The fact (yes, fact) that much of the vitriol towards the Obama's is racially tinged doesn't mean that all, or even most, Trump voters are racist. That's a lazy strawman. How about you actually address exactly what I typed, rather than crying "not racist". A lot of the hatred towards the Obamas has been racist as fuck.
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Yeah, so I am just going to put this out there....this thread sucks. I mean it is a really miserable read. Perhaps if everyone bickered a little more and completely disagreed upon the premise of multiple arguments then we could really get the discussion going.
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The conservative media? Are you talking about some segment of the media or the media in general?
White rural/evangelical Christian right. No doubt the guy has faced all sundry of bizarre claims. But Obama also still managed to outperform Gore and Kerry and managed to outperform Clinton by enormous numbers with rural and ex-urban voters. He was the most successful Democratic politician in recent memory with rural voters. Gore and Kerry both failed to crack 40% collectively with rural AND ex-urban voters (outer ring suburbs which generally poll better for dems than truly rural places). Obama won over 41% of the rural vote (not ex-urban, just rural) in 2008 and 38% of the rural vote in 2012. Just find it interesting that you seem to be lumping a big collective hit on people when Obama's ability to draw this vote was actually better than other dem candidates.
Agreed we seem way more polarized because people can pick and choose what they consume from a media perspective. These Boards are very often a microcosm of how little people are willing to even listen to the other side and seek any sort of common ground.
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myDeaconmyhand
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There is a difference between not voting for someone, and spewing vitriolic racist bullshit about them. The internet age has lead to hyper political polarization. Every person has a facebook group and political website that perfectly fits their viewpoint, and whatever vague basic understanding they have of politics gets morphed into an idealogy of confident ignorance. They love their politics, they love their candidates, and whoever disagrees is wrong and stupid and hates America. It's fucking gross.
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I have no idea what your first sentence is getting at. It's as if you and others have this vision where we will be free of vitriol in our politics. Earth to everyone, there are many asshats among us. Reagan was accused of wanting to destroy the world. Bush II was regularly compared to Hitler. Clinton was fucking HATED by a significant part of the country. Sure, Obama has been forced to endure his own share of utter B.S. But at the end of the day we still do have broader polling and actual voting results to put the overall mood of the nation in perspective. No matter how some want to portray Obama from what you call rural America, the fact is he still did better there in his two elections than other Democrats. It's a fact and it speaks to how effective he was as a politician who knows how to connect with voters.
As for the rest of your post, I'm totally with you. And I think this Board is really good fodder for that phenomena. You literally cannot even ask a question on this Board without someone wanting to soundbite you to death because they know you generally don't agree with some or most of their political views. There are a lot of people on this Board who are pretty much entirely knee jerk.
myDeaconmyhand
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There is no hidden meaning to that first sentence, it means exactly what it says. 99% of the people that don't approve of Obama probably didn't vote for him. There is a clear difference between non-approval and vitriol. Check out the well publicized email chain of the Ferguson police department. Check out the West Virginia lady who was fired for calling Michelle Obama an "ape in heels". That's not disapproval. I had multiple customers from Davidson county who openly made racist comments about Obama in front of black employees at my store.
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It's as if you want to note the fact there were birthers and folks wanting to bash him for being a kid who spent time in Indonesia and that these people are somehow hold a broader base of support than did those who viewed Reagan as a war mongering asshat hell bent on destroying the world. Again, there are many assholes among us. But they don't override broader public opinion.
Above you are noting attacks on family. OK. What does polling tell us about Nancy vs. Michelle. Michelle in April 2009 had an approval rating of 79%. Only 8% held an unfavorable view of her. Among Republicans at that time she polled 65% approval and just 17% disapproval. Nancy Reagan in December of 1981 polled at 57% approval and well well over 20% disapproval. In August of this year Michelle Obama polled at 64% approval and 32% disapproval. Nancy Reagan a month before her husband left office was sitting at 53% approval and 31% disapproval. To be clear, Michelle Obama has been held in much better esteem than Nancy Reagan, Hillary Clinton and Rosalyn Carter. I can't find polling data on Barbara Bush - but I'd hazard she held super high approval ratings. And Laura Bush was viewed very favorably as well. Point being all these numbers from Gallup tell us Michelle Obama has been and remains well liked.
As for attacks on kids, anyone who attacks a child is an epic dickhead. Kids don't have control over what careers their parents choose. And sadly we've seen it to some degree with all President's who had school age kids in the White House. Amy Carter and Chelsea Clinton were made fun of for being ugly kids. The Bush daughters were painted as irresponsible dolts. Obama's oldest was busted smoking pot and painted as some sort of rebel. And already I've seen people go after Trump's youngest. It's hard enough to grow up. To do so under any type of public scrutiny you did not invite upon yourself - it just should be off limits.
The reality is DeacMan's position is his alone at this point. Being called a "warmonger" is nothing in comparison with millions of people saying you aren't even an American and that you aren't a member of a despised religion. Add to that all the racial epithets and insults.
but there's point in discussing this nothing will get through to him. No matter how many reasoned posts challenge your position, it won't matter.
but there's point in discussing this nothing will get through to him. No matter how many reasoned posts challenge your position, it won't matter.
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So you can point to annecdotes as evidence of the fact we have assholes in our country. OK. But that isn't surprising in any way. And it also isn't incredibly meaningful in the broader scheme of things. Obama was a friggin' political phenomena in 2008. He rode in with uber high approval ratings. He will leave with better than average ones. That's a lot more meaningful than the fact there are people who spew vitriol at the President - which again isn't unique to him. The nature of some of the vitriol attacks he faced, however, was obviously unique.
As for this 99% you are tossing out, I just don't buy it. He didn't win 56% of the vote in the last election. So he's drawing support from people who didn't vote for him. And no doubt he's managed to piss off some portion of the people who did vote for him. Approval ratings are not static things for any President and neither are public perceptions.