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BillBrasky said:
Very good response. Much better than Pedo McGee down in Bama.

The part about past jokes now being seen as offensive is true as well. Every time I now hear a hard F in a movie that I use to enjoy back in the 90's or 00's, it does take away from its enjoyment.
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Yeah, showbiz rarely ages well. Even things that are considered progressive at the time can become offensive given time. That's what I meant by Al Franken seeming like low hanging fruit if you want to hyper-analyze someone's career to take him down.

He went through something similar during his senatorial campaign where some of his more edgy skits got called into question and put on display, and obviously out of context. He even has a Playboy article out there (not going to link it at work) that got brought up, even though it's completely hypothetical.
 
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WakeForestRanger said:
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It's almost as if Democrats see sexual assault as a issue of rights and Republicans see sexual assault as a political weapon.
 
DeaconSig said:
Jesus. That is an hell of a statement. I don't think that should spare him of the consequences, but kudos to Sen. Franken for sacking up and admitting he was wrong.
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The Senator was accused of two primary offenses:

1. Sticking his tongue down the woman's throat against her will; and
2. Posing for an inappropriate picture

There is no independent evidence of #1, so he denied it outright

The photo from #2 exists, so he apologized without qualification, before qualifying it by talking about how as a comedian he did stuff that is no longer funny to get laughs

yeah, let's throw a parade for this hero
 
WakeForestRanger said:
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So I guess this shows, outside of RJ, we're less rah team when it comes to sexual assault/harassment allegations. I will admit back in the day that I didn't believe the Bubba groping accusations (I think it was Willy and Jones). I readily believed he was having affairs and didn't care about that because if you used that as a standard, you'd disqualify more than half our past presidents. But I figured that it didn't make any logical sense that a famous politician/athlete/movie star/director would sexually assault a woman when he had so much free consenting tail available. I also didn't know anyone who'd been accused of groping or who'd accused someone else of groping - that just didn't happen in civilized society. But after the Jeffrey Epstein stuff came out, I had started rethinking that position. I still don't get the thinking that, even though I'm rich and famous, that entitles me to sexually assault another person. I would think that if I were famous and had those urges, I'd have even more reason not to engage in such behavior so as not to damage my reputation and to avoid lawsuits. So what is it about being rich and famous that makes you start to think that sexually assaulting someone is okay?
 
Of course I never said anything like what C'ville alleges, but anyone can post what I said or thought without me ever saying it.
 
thatguy2016 said:
The Senator was accused of two primary offenses:

1. Sticking his tongue down the woman's throat against her will; and
2. Posing for an inappropriate picture

There is no independent evidence of #1, so he denied it outright

The photo from #2 exists, so he apologized without qualification, before qualifying it by talking about how as a comedian he did stuff that is no longer funny to get laughs

yeah, let's throw a parade for this hero
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If you don't know it's against her will, should you have to apologize for doing it?

Of course realizing that apologizing for an action and apologizing for how an action made someone else feel are different things.
 
It's mind-blowing to me that peoples' minds would be blown if hard evidence turned up proving that Donald Trump sexually assaulted someone. You don't even have to use the Roy Moore or Anthony Weiner scales here. Do you really think that Donald ****'ing Trump hasn't done something AT LEAST as bad as what Al Franken did?

My money is on him being far closer to the Weinstein part of the spectrum.
 
RJKarl said:
A comic (that's what he was then) posing for a silly picture is not sexual assault. If you look at his left hand, you can see space between his fingers and her vest.
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It doesn’t matter if he didn’t actually assault her, he is making fun of sexual assault which is awful for an elected leader.
 
birdman said:
It doesn’t matter if he didn’t actually assault her, he is making fun of sexual assault which is awful for an elected leader.
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So, would anyone who has ever told a bad, an insulting joke be disqualified from being an elected leader for life?
 
Bird said: "It doesn’t matter if he didn’t actually assault her, he is making fun of sexual assault which is awful for an elected leader."

He's only talking about the staged picture. Where he probably didn't touch her.. That's all Bird's post is about.
 
RJKarl said:
So, would anyone who has ever told a bad, an insulting joke be disqualified from being an elected leader for life?
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That’s not the same thing RJ, but The fact that we can’t find 100 men in America who wouldn’t qualify to be a senator under these requirements is a big problem.
 
birdman said:
It doesn’t matter if he didn’t actually assault her, he is making fun of sexual assault which is awful for an elected leader.
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Can we not say it doesn't matter -- it absolutely does matter. There is a huge difference between actual sexual assault and making fun of sexual assault. (This has nothing to do with whether Franken actually sexually assaulted her by the way). You are correct that making fun of sexual assault is awful for an elected leader, but actual sexual assault is clearly much worse and the difference matters.
 
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