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How many more school shootings before the NRA allows common sense?

tigerswood said:
Still a handgun - one bullet vs a spread. Most people are really bad shots with handguns. I used to be decent (don't go to the range anymore), but am certainly way more accurate with a shotgun - even without the spread. Plus, that 9mm round could easily still go through the wall to the room (maybe even house) next door.



That's hard to do, unless he was just hip firing or something. From 5', I'd say the spread with birdshot would be about the size of a grapefruit.
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it was amazing to witness. to be fair, he was shooting for the head and it was moving a bit. still ridiculous

the real answer is dual wield Judges, one with .410s and the other .45 self defense loads
 
Yeah back to the point, if the government outlaws pump shotguns for some reason and wants to pay me for mine, I'll happily turn it in.
 
tigerswood said:
12 gauge pump shotgun. Burglar hears you pump that thing (sound is unmistakable) and they're almost assuredly leaving the house unless they're specifically there to kill you.

Use birdshot not slugs or zombie bullets like most people buy to protect themselves - the birdshot will do plenty of damage from close range (render them useless, maybe kill them), and shouldn't go through brick/wood/thick drywall and kill neighbor Joe nextdoor or little Suzie in the next room.
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20ga pump with #2 or #3 buckshot
 
tigerswood said:
12 gauge pump shotgun. Burglar hears you pump that thing (sound is unmistakable) and they're almost assuredly leaving the house unless they're specifically there to kill you.
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Ok, I get everything you are saying, but still think you're romanticizing this a little. You're telling me there is a stranger rummaging around your home in the middle of the night. You are just going to walk into your living room, wait until you see the burglar, then pump your shotgun. At that point the burglar is going to drop your valuables and sprint for the door as you yell "Yeah, and don't you come back now, ya hear!"

I'm just saying, would pressing a button and triggering your alarm not have the same effect? Again, assuming that person is not there to kill you. Also assuming you don't live in isolation, which would be a different case, and likely part of the reason why people in rural areas are the ones who typically carry guns.
 
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Demonwolverine said:
Ok, I get everything you are saying, but still think you're romanticizing this a little. You're telling me there is a stranger rummaging around your home in the middle of the night. You are just going to walk into your living room, wait until you see the burglar, then pump your shotgun. At that point the burglar is going to drop your valuables and sprint for the door as you yell "Yeah, and don't you come back now, ya hear!"

All that to say, would pressing a button and triggering your alarm not have the same effect? Again, assuming that person is not there to kill you. Also assuming you don't live in isolation, which would be a different case, and likely why people in rural areas are the ones so afraid.
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Maybe it's just me, but I assume (and I think it's a safe assumption) anyone in my home at 3:00am has every intention to kill me if an altercation happens. Don't a large majority of break ins happen during school/work hours for this exact reason? Only a complete idiot (also see: extremely desperate, drugged up, ect.) or someone looking to inflict personal harm would break in after hours unless they've watched your house and know it is empty.
 
Screamindemon3 said:
Maybe it's just me, but I assume (and I think it's a safe assumption) anyone in my home at 3:00am has every intention to kill me if an altercation happens. Don't a large majority of break ins happen during school/work hours for this exact reason? Only a complete idiot (also see: extremely desperate, drugged up, ect.) or someone looking to inflict personal harm would break in after hours unless they've watched your house and know it is empty.
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Yeah, I think that's the question at the root of all this: what is the best way to defuse that situation? If the answer is a gun, is it to a certainty that purchasing one should be as easy as it is now? Is this a situation that occurs enough to balance what else happens as a result of making guns so freely available? I guess then it leaves the question: are guns the problem, and we're right back to where we started...
 
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Screamindemon3 said:
Maybe it's just me, but I assume (and I think it's a safe assumption) anyone in my home at 3:00am has every intention to kill me if an altercation happens. Don't a large majority of break ins happen during school/work hours for this exact reason? Only a complete idiot (also see: extremely desperate, drugged up, ect.) or someone looking to inflict personal harm would break in after hours unless they've watched your house and know it is empty.
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So what is the need for a gun to stop a break in if break ins mostly happen when you’re not home?
 
Demonwolverine said:
Yeah, I think that's the question at the root of all this: what is the best way to defuse that situation? If the answer is a gun, is it to a certainty that purchasing one should be as easy as it is now? Is this a situation that occurs enough to balance what else happens as a result of making guns so freely available? I guess then it leaves the question: are guns the problem, and we're right back to where we started...
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I'd say AR-15s are the problem and the process of obtaining them is a larger problem. Are people arguing that all guns should be banned, even the Glocks and side by sides sitting under pop pops bed? I haven't seen many argue that point if so and I personally do not believe that is the current problem on hand.
 
The internet fact machine says 28% of burglaries that occur a family member is home, of all Home invasions 7% turn violent but 65% of those the victim knows the offender so the whole thing gets murky.
 
Demonwolverine said:
Ok, I get everything you are saying, but still think you're romanticizing this a little. You're telling me there is a stranger rummaging around your home in the middle of the night. You are just going to walk into your living room, wait until you see the burglar, then pump your shotgun. At that point the burglar is going to drop your valuables and sprint for the door as you yell "Yeah, and don't you come back now, ya hear!"

I'm just saying, would pressing a button and triggering your alarm not have the same effect? Again, assuming that person is not there to kill you. Also assuming you don't live in isolation, which would be a different case, and likely part of the reason why people in rural areas are the ones who typically carry guns.
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Huh? I'm probably going to 1. Tell my girlfriend to call the cops. 2. Walk out of my room and turn on the stairwell lights. 3. Yell down the stairs, "Get out of my house, I have a gun" 4. Pump the shotgun to prove it. Yeah, I think that will do the trick.

If not, and they come charging up the stairs, well, I'm not going to miss. Fortunately, this is highly unlikely for me, as I live in a pretty safe area - and I don't pay for an alarm, so that option's out.
 
maybe just get one of these and record a shotgun pump:

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or better yet, have this cued up:

 
Demonwolverine said:
Everybody's got a plan until they get punched in the mouth. Or shot in the face, I guess.
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Really don't understand where you're going. Trying to convince people that a reasonable gun isn't acceptable/smart/etc in the event of a home invasion is a terrible argument when it comes to gun control.

Again, I'd happily turn my shotgun in if it were outlawed for some reason. If I had to get insurance for it (in favor of this requirement), I might even just sell it. I'm for just about any form of gun control there is, but trying to convince people there is no need for civilian guns is not going to be productive at all.
 
Screamindemon3 said:
well, you answered that yourself with the word "mostly"
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But if you’re playing the odds, that gun is more likely to be involved in an accidental shooting than stopping a home invasion.
 
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