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Danny Manning Credibility Watch

Wheeeeeeeeeeee. More advanced stats! Football this time! Wolford for Heisman. 1st round pick! Wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!
 
We're also talking about completely different standards for programs. Wake finishing average among P5 teams in football is a solid accomplishment. Doing so in basketball is OK but nothing to shout about, especially when it's the one good year amongst a load of absolute crap.

Clawson also took off way out from ocean with a boat leaking water, but he has taken us to shore and we're lounging on the beach enjoying the fuck out of ourselves. I await Danny coming close to doing the same
 
wsc8521s said:
We're also talking about completely different standards for programs. Wake finishing average among P5 teams in football is a solid accomplishment. Doing so in basketball is OK but nothing to shout about, especially when it's the one good year amongst a load of absolute crap.

Clawson also took off way out from ocean with a boat leaking water, but he has taken us to shore and we're lounging on the beach enjoying the fuck out of ourselves. I await Danny coming close to doing the same
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So Clawson meeting far lower expectations in a completely dissimilar sport and situation proves what exactly about Manning?
 
tigerswood said:
Wheeeeeeeeeeee. More advanced stats! Football this time! Wolford for Heisman. 1st round pick! Wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!
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It’s hard to keep up with when it’s OK to use advance stats. Wake is a top 30 football program and JC was the best player in the ACC last year = OK. Wake was top 36 in basketball in 16-17 and Wolford was the best QB in the ACC last year = Hell no. Got it.
 
RChildress107 said:
So Clawson meeting far lower expectations in a completely dissimilar sport and situation proves what exactly about Manning?
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That I don't want to hear again how horrible and sad and tragic what Danny inherited was and is. If Clawson can turn it around given what he was dealing with, then I cry less than zero tears for what DM walked into
 
Shake said:
RC - When the writers get together later this year for ACC press day they vote on a preseason ACC standings. What do you believe Wake Forest will be ranked?

In addition to RC I'm interested to know what everyone else thinks...I say we'll be 11.
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Obvi Pitt will be 15th. Tech will be about the same unless Devoe is a stud. ND could slip some, along with Miami so there might be an oppty for Wake to get to 10 or 11 pre-season on potential. But I could see us settling in at 11/12 again in a fairly pedestrian ACC beyond the top 4 or 5. My early prediction is 5-13 in the ACC cuz I'm not sure we'll be able to shoot well enough, nor D up well enough to overcome the streaky shooting. So probably 15 or 16 wins next season at best unless Chaundee takes an epic leap.
 
RChildress107 said:
Manning did this in his 3rd year.
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And if we're 3-9 next year, people will question Clawson's credibility.

I don't know how anyone can watch the NCAA Tournament this year or last or the two years prior and think Manning is legitimately doing a good job.
 
wsc8521s said:
That I don't want to hear again how horrible and sad and tragic what Danny inherited was and is. If Clawson can turn it around given what he was dealing with, then I cry less than zero tears for what DM walked into
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The last 4 years under Grobe we finished (in order of suckitude): 90, 87, 69, 68.

The last 4 years under [Redacted]: 219, 168, 120, 94.


The first 4 years under Clawson: 100, 89, 68, 22.

The first 4 years under Manning: 101, 98, 82, 36.

I used Sports Reference’s SRS for both.
 
RChildress107 said:
36th isn’t that far off. Especially given there are more teams in college basketball.

Maybe Clawson should go recruit and develop the best player in the conference. Manning should too, since he hasn’t had that either.

And I’d argue that having the best player in the conference at the most important position is pretty helpful
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wsc8521s said:
That I don't want to hear again how horrible and sad and tragic what Danny inherited was and is. If Clawson can turn it around given what he was dealing with, then I cry less than zero tears for what DM walked into
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Also if you don’t want to hear about it then why bring it up and talk about it.
 
RChildress107 said:
The last 4 years under Grobe we finished (in order of suckitude): 90, 87, 69, 68.

The last 4 years under [Redacted]: 219, 168, 120, 94.


The first 4 years under Clawson: 100, 89, 68, 22.

The first 4 years under Manning: 101, 98, 82, 36.

I used Sports Reference’s SRS for both.
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Defensive rank, and I mean "rank" for each:

Bzzdaster - 330, 263, 266 & 205 (hooray better than 58% of the country!)

Smokin' D - 307, 323, 307 & 228 (74.4 ppg allowed hardly seemed like an improvement this year, but we were better thanks to Doral)

Bzz & Smokin' have presided over the 3 worst defensive teams since Staak. Prosser was close, but '05-'06 was probably the worst at 307. The others were barely under 290 without J-Ho.

So is Hoard the next J-Ho RChill?? Is that why you are so bullish on next year?
 
RChildress107 said:
Shit, how could I forget. This season (and the next two) don’t count because Clawson got lucky with Dortch, who everyone knew would be a star from day 1 and for whom Clawson gets no credit and rode him to a mediocre bowl!?!?! Or something.
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we won 3 games after losing Dortch for the season, you nincompoop

Clawson posted the best SRS season Wake Forest has had since joining the ACC

Manning's best year ranks #15 on the similar list
 
Danny kissing up to big donors on Twitter to try and save face from his shit coaching job. Love the Atlanta fan trolling DM at the bottom too.

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thatguy2016 said:
we won 3 games after losing Dortch for the season, you nincompoop

Clawson posted the best SRS season Wake Forest has had since joining the ACC

Manning's best year ranks #15 on the similar list
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You do realize that 15th out of 65 is pretty good. Better than 5 Odom season, 7 Tacy seasons, and even 2 Skip seasons.
 
RChildress107 said:
The last 4 years under Grobe we finished (in order of suckitude): 90, 87, 69, 68.

The last 4 years under [Redacted]: 219, 168, 120, 94.


The first 4 years under Clawson: 100, 89, 68, 22.

The first 4 years under Manning: 101, 98, 82, 36.

I used Sports Reference’s SRS for both.
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Yeah, you're reaching, and I think you know that. There are ~350 teams in the basketball rankings compared to ~125 in the football rankings. If you try to do apples-to-apples by looking just at power conference programs, I think you come out that the 2013-14 basketball season and 2013 football season were relatively similar compared to peers. You definitely come out that the 2017 football season was more impressive than the 2016-17 basketball season. Furthermore, there's the extra color that the football team lost at least its two best players and a 4 year starter at quarterback while the basketball team returned its two best players.

I feel very comfortable stating that the football program was in worse shape than the basketball program and has achieved more anyway.
 
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RChildress107 said:
You do realize that 15th out of 65 is pretty good. Better than 5 Odom season, 7 Tacy seasons, and even 2 Skip seasons.
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I realize that #1 is a lot better than #15

I also realize that SRS is just one measure, and I'm smart enough to look at the whole picture

but back to Dortch
 
WFU Lurker said:
Yeah, you're reaching, and I think you know that. There are ~350 teams in the basketball rankings compared to ~125 in the football rankings. If you try to do apples-to-apples by looking just at power conference programs, I think you come out that the 2013-14 basketball season and 2013 football season were relatively similar compared to peers. You definitely come out that the 2017 football season was more impressive than the 2016-17 basketball season. Furthermore, there's the extra color that the football team lost at least its two best players and a 4 year starter at quarterback while the basketball team returned its two best players.

I feel very comfortable stating that the football program was in worse shape than the basketball program and has achieved more anyway.
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It’s almost like it’s pointless to try and compare the two.

I feel very comfortable that you’re wrong.
 
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