chill43
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I think the best thing that could happen now is Wellman retires, and a new ad picks the next basketball coach.
Yes Clawson is a natural leader and he recruits good leaders for his team. Therefore there is strong leadership and direction at levels of the football program. This is in spite of Wellman. Neither Wellman nor Hatch are leaders and our school will not be great until both are gone. Manning really is irrelevant ... he doesn’t have the intelligence to matter, he is just in the way.
This is an amazing post. Just to be clear:
1) Clawson natural leader
2) Wellman not a leader
3) Hatch not a leader
4) Manning irrelevant and not intelligent enough to matter
you forgot:
5) Board of Trustees, not composed of leaders
6). Board of Trustees running up huge food, bar and hotel fees while in town.
So, will our ongoing fan revolt torpedo any chance to get a proven commodity the next time around? That's a frightening prospect.
This is the kind of twisted logic that undermines legitimate arguments against Manning. Wellman is the boss, period. If you're going to criticize him for one coaching hire you have to credit him for the successful ones. Even if one of his Buddies led the recruitment.Maybe I am not remembering correctly but i feel like there were reports that ronnie did not lead the Clawson effort.
This is the kind of twisted logic that undermines legitimate arguments against Manning. Wellman is the boss, period. If you're going to criticize him for one coaching hire you have to credit him for the successful ones. Even if one of his Buddies led the recruitment.
What evidence is there of Wellman micromanaging any of our basketball coaches? Or the coaches of any other wake sport for that matter?Wellman has hired two competent football coaches and not micromanaged them, so there's no fear there. We certainly have reason to fear it in basketball.
Wellman has hired two competent football coaches and not micromanaged them, so there's no fear there. We certainly have reason to fear it in basketball.
What evidence is there of Wellman micromanaging any of our basketball coaches? Or the coaches of any other wake sport for that matter?
People were angry, probably justifiably, for the way he took over all of [Redacted]'s press conferences and covered for his incompetence in a way fans thought was patronizing, but I don't think an athletic director protecting his coaches from outside scrutiny is particularly unusual (or even necessarily worth the kind of criticism he received).
What evidence is there of Wellman micromanaging any of our basketball coaches? Or the coaches of any other wake sport for that matter?
People were angry, probably justifiably, for the way he took over all of [Redacted]'s press conferences and covered for his incompetence in a way fans thought was patronizing, but I don't think an athletic director protecting his coaches from outside scrutiny is particularly unusual (or even necessarily worth the kind of criticism he received).
Maybe micromanagement isn't exactly the right word, but Wellman did seem strangely intertwined with redacted. The "oh heaven's yes" level of support in light of glaring flaws in the way the program was being led just felt irrational and wrong. As was mentioned earlier, it felt like they were actively bs'ing the fanbase. Wellman's level of involvement has certainly died down with DM, who has had a similar overall record. That's at least how I was defining micromanagement.
I believe there's strong evidence Wellman tried to dictate basketball recruiting philosophy as well as culture bs etc with Dino and later hiring new coaches. Seems like he has tried to interfere with assistants too. I can't imagine that flying with claw or a competent basketball coach. Hell even Dino told wellman to pound sand.
I think you're right that Wellman's behavior and BSing during the [Redacted] years should probably be considered patronizing and uncool, but like I said I feel like protecting the coach from criticism is the athletic director's job. If [Redacted] hadn't have been such a shitty coach (and, perhaps much more importantly, a shitty communicator) we probably wouldn't have seen so much bullshit propaganda from the Department. The fact that DM has authority and cachet and a reputation has meant that the AD can largely stay out of it.
This is a much stronger argument, and it *does* seem like Wellman did try to manage the basketball program's recruiting strategy during the Dino times. It didn't work primarily because the landscape of college basketball changed a lot in the subsequent years. And it is a fact that DM is recruiting one-and-done high school players meaning one of the following things is true: that either Wellman has let DM dictate his own recruiting strategies (i.e. *not* micromanaging); or Wellman has changed his opinion on one-and-done players for whatever reason (i.e. not stubborn/arrogant in the way he's often accused). There could be other possibilities, of course, but these are the two most obvious.
The assistant coaches thing is another fair point I'd forgotten about. Is there evidence he did this elsewhere? Wouldn't Elrod be an example of the same practice as Rusty and Childress?
I'm not talking about Elrod's hiring as a coach, I'm talking about his retention as our color guy under a new coaching staff. Which was not Clawson's call, was it? I was speculating that that was an example of Wellman imposing his will on the football program despite the desires of the head coach.
And i write up a long post and that's your only response? How about something substantive?
I'm not talking about Elrod's hiring as a coach, I'm talking about his retention as our color guy under a new coaching staff. Which was not Clawson's call, was it? I was speculating that that was an example of Wellman imposing his will on the football program despite the desires of the head coach.
And i write up a long post and that's your only response? How about something substantive?