John McCain has died

[MHBDemon]

Its comical that the far left get painted as enabling Donald Trump rather than the dead guy who was a member of the same political party and voted with him 80% of the time.

We don't disagree that Trump is bad. We disagree on the economic and social conditions that enabled him. And we disagree on the solutions. We can't all just come together in bipartisan fashion to get rid of him if we have no solutions to broader problems.

 

[MHBDemon]

This thread from Ben Wittes does a nice job of capturing my feelings about the Trumpist right and its enablers, a certain faction of the far left, our current predicament and what it all means for me in the future. Given the level of discourse on this thread from both sides, it feels appropriate to leave here.

What is democratic pre-politics? asking for a political party.

 

[ConnorEl]

It’s not comical that “divide and rule” seems preferable to “unite and lead”.

 

[MHBDemon]

If Wittes wants a "vibrant democratic right, left, and center" then he would do well to completely and objectively analyze who is establishing democratic procedures, who is engaging in gerrymandering, and who is complicit in building the institutions that suppress democratic participation, like prisons and policing. Which political parties are attempting to remove the undue influence of vast sums of money in our elections?

 

[Milhouse]

I’ve been using your definition and the correct definition. Read. You’re wrong regardless of whatever alternative definitions you want to use.

Pro tip: Stop debating in stereotypes. Work in reality.

my god it’s just this simple

 

[PhDeac]

NED, curious how you respond to this response to Wittes' first tweet:

 

[Liquid Karma]

Man, when did MDMH make the full Kanhoji turn?

 

[Lectro]

Its comical that the far left get painted as enabling Donald Trump rather than the dead guy who was a member of the same political party and voted with him 80% of the time.

We don't disagree that Trump is bad. We disagree on the economic and social conditions that enabled him. And we disagree on the solutions. We can't all just come together in bipartisan fashion to get rid of him if we have no solutions to broader problems.

Good luck with that. And good luck with the continued suppression of speech..the hallmark of the new Oligarchical Socislism where so named social progressives give over to the modern robber barons at Google,FB,Apple,Twitter et.al

These “titans” eschew real competition - they represent the Oligopoly that Neil Postman predicted. No competition and owned politicos..this is the true face of Progressive Marxism

 

[MHBDemon]

Not according to MHB and MDMH.

Good luck with that. And good luck with the continued suppression of speech..the hallmark of the new Oligarchical Socislism where so named social progressives give over to the modern robber barons at Google,FB,Apple,Twitter et.al

These “titans” eschew real competition - they represent the Oligopoly that Neil Postman predicted. No competition and owned politicos..this is the true face of Progressive Marxism

your posts are illegible.

 

[Louis Gossett Jr]

Man, when did MDMH make the full Kanhoji turn?

When “the system” failed him, meaning dropping a shit ton of money to go to a fairly elite university only to squander the ladder years working at a T-Mobile store, you’d be pretty pissed too. Besides what downtrodden person that had zero opportunity wouldn’t want to be lead by someone that had the golden ticket but failed to cash it in.

 

[Lectro]

your posts are illegible.

Because you are dumb as a bag of dirt

 

[myDeaconmyhand]

Pro tip: Stop debating in stereotypes. Work in reality.

No. I'll continue to use "suburban" as an insult, and you'll continue to get pissy about it and pretend you don't understand. That's that. You want reality - reality is the Tampa Bay Times article I posted.

 

[Newenglanddeac]

NED, curious how you respond to this response to Wittes' first tweet:

Really good question by you and Bower. Don’t have a ton of time right now so I will have to respond quickly although happy to elaborate further later on.

From a personal standpoint, I was appalled by the divisive rhetoric coming from the Tea Party. I thought it was intellectually dishonest, racist and ultimately destructive to the republic. I felt so strongly about this that I left a very lucrative career to basically start over. In hindsight, a part of me wishes I had stayed back to fight and put my money where my mouth is but hindsight is 20/20.

For the greater party itself, there were parts of it who resisted many of these efforts (ie mccain and many of his advisors). Unfortunately the vast majority of us blindly followed where the money and power flowed.

 

[myDeaconmyhand]

I wonder if it’s possible to strive to speak well of a recently deceased public servant, to find not dishonest reasons they can be honored and celebrated? Without being accused by bigots of “cozying up” or “boot licking”.



I guess not.


I hope we all have a few folks after our passing who might with some charity remember and celebrate us. You don’t think charity will be required in your case?


Think again.

How many wars, proxy or otherwise, are you complicit in starting? My guess is you probably don't have anything to worry about.

 

[PhDeac]

No. I'll continue to use "suburban" as an insult, and you'll continue to get pissy about it and pretend you don't understand. That's that. You want reality - reality is the Tampa Bay Times article I posted.

No. I'll continue to use the correct definition of suburban along with your incorrect definition of "suburban" and you'll ignore it. That's that. And the reality of that TBT article is exactly what you're ignoring. Each of those counties with a high black population has suburban areas with "suburban" voters who went for Gillum. It's not difficult to understand. I'm starting to think you're not just confrontational. You're kinda dumb.

 

[Lectro]

Loving the Socialist and Marxist-Light in-fighting.

It bodes well for MAGA and we going to see you crushed in November

 

[RJKarl]

I many or most of the DSA are like MDMH and MHB, then their dreams are DOA. Their attitudes and words will put off a wide variety of people who might work to support them. A response of "we don't want them anyway" would be a perfect example.

Their inability to show human decency will drive people away and make them look just like the extreme right.

 

[myDeaconmyhand]

I'm starting to think you're not just confrontational. You're kinda dumb.

Whatever you need to say to convince yourself that the suburbs are most responsible for progressive politics - it's obviously a very important point of contention for you.

 

[PhDeac]

You’re obviously stuck in stereotypes and not concerned with facts. There’s nothing I can do for you if you keep changing your argument to fit your preconceived notions.

 

[myDeaconmyhand]

My crazy preconceived notions of how much money it costs to buy a nice house in a suburb and the general American demographics of people who have that much money. Someone stop me, i'm making such wild assumptions!