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2020 Democratic Presidential Nominees

cville deac said:
I agree that the polls this far out as to which Dem you like is going to skew toward Biden and Bernie because they're much more known commodities, and they're pretty meaningless. But I find the state polls of the various Dems v. Trump more interesting, and in those, Biden is easily outpacing his Dem competitors to the extent that Trump is still ahead of the rest of the Dem field in some swing states. I mean, I'm feeling pretty good about PA and MI no matter who the nominee is, but they're not quite sufficient to ensure the election. I've seen some IA, WI and NV polls that aren't as encouraging, and I just don't know which of these other Dems can keep the left and establishment wings of the party together and attract independents.
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I’m not sold on state vs Trump polls. The ones I’ve seen seem to vary mostly be name recognition. Feel free to post some that make your point though.
 
Having name recognition is a pretty big advantage. No guarantee, but the frontrunner at this point is a serious contender.
 
Name recognition gaps will evaporate soon enough. Polls showing Biden and Bernie getting 50-55% of the support against a field of largely unknowns doesn’t bode well for either of them. Doesn’t show much growth for either.
 
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I heard Bernie hates playing board games and fun in general. I’m not saying that but that’s what I heard.
 
PhDeac said:
The Biden story is way overblown. First, he’s not even in the race. Second, he wasn’t going to win anyway. Third, we saw him get too touchy with people for years and plenty was written about it. Fourth, only three people have come forward to talk about it. One is a Bernie operative and one said Biden was a friend trying to make her feel comfortable.

We should have a constructive conversation about when and how to touch people but this Biden stuff specifically has run its course.
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Agreed, I'm all in on young Mayor Pete.
 
ImTheCaptain said:
nah
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Marx is right about some things and not others.

For example, Marx’s development of the labor theory of value, commodity fetishism, and his analysis of capitalism as inherently contradictory economic system are still solid, as far as I can tell. His historical work and predictive capacity, on the other hand, don’t look great in hindsight. When Marx is wrong, he’s really wrong.
 
PhDeac said:
Please post articles having the conservation I’m saying we should have instead of essentially meaningless jabber about Biden.
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I was joking, man. That’s an Onion setup.

ETA: unrelated, but I wanted to post it somewhere: You’re a good booster for Mayor Pete. If not for your advocacy, I probably would never consider him as a legitimate candidate. I doubt I will consider vote for him in a primary, but I have no problem voting for him in the general.
 
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bym051d said:
He’d definitely ruin Monopoly.
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my favorite game variant of monopoly is the one where you get to start 15 turns in after a few players have already acquired most of the property and currency
 
Strickland33 said:
Marx is right about some things and not others.

For example, Marx’s development of the labor theory of value, commodity fetishism, and his analysis of capitalism as inherently contradictory economic system are still solid, as far as I can tell. His historical work and predictive capacity, on the other hand, don’t look great in hindsight. When Marx is wrong, he’s really wrong.
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yeah but have you read ITC's critique
 
If my man, Mayor Pete, ends up as the VP on the ticket, that debate should be must see TV
 
Mayor Pete sure does seem to love authoritarianism and the carceral state. No thanks.

Last May, South Bend Mayor Pete Buttigieg went to Israel with the American Jewish Committee and two weeks later discussed his trip with that organization. At the time Israel was killing Palestinian protesters at the Gaza fence– 60 on one day within days of Buttigieg’s visit, getting global attention — yet Buttigieg repeatedly praised Israel’s security arrangements as “moving” and “clear-eyed”, said the U.S. could learn something from them, and blamed Palestinians and Hamas for the “misery” in Gaza.

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" Seeing the way that a country can be on the one hand very intentional, very serious and very effective when it comes to security and on the other hand not allowing concerns about security to dominate your consciousness– I think that’s a very important lesson in that that hopefully Americans can look to we think about how to navigate a world that unfortunately has become smaller and more dangerous for all of us…

I was in a very modern city surrounded by people going about their lives. Seeing how people fit those things together was illuminating and in many ways moving. There’s a sense there that no matter what challenges there are in the community or in the society, they can’t wait for security issues to be resolved. People live their lives, they’re pretty clear-eyed about what is going on around them. And at the same time, you don’t let that take over… The sense that we were in a very safe and very peaceful place– some of the numbers we’ve been shown on violence of any kind in many of the cities we visited, even in Jerusalem, whether you’re looking at political violence or petty crime, those statistics would frankly be the envy of a lot of our midwestern cities…."
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https://mondoweiss.net/2019/04/slaughter-buttigieg-responses/
 
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