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Gutterballs said:
While recently playing a round with one of our men's golfers (one of our 5 who participated in the NCAA tourney) I specifically asked him about the pants vs shorts issue and he didn't really seem to care one way or another.
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I thought it was really stupid to play in long pants in the regional out in AZ a few years ago; however, an ex-player that posts on here some said ultimately it is a team decision. That if the players all wanted to wear shorts, they would/could.
 
I can’t think of a team college sport in which the coach has less impact than in golf, other than recruiting the players. The rules of the game prohibit players from receiving coaching or advise while on the course.

It’s all about the players. Jesse Haddock wouldn’t have been Jesse Haddock without Lanny Wadkins, Joe Inman, Eddie Pearce, Curtis Strange, Jay Haas, Scott Hoch, Gary Hallberg, Billy Andrade, etc.
 
Gutterballs said:
While recently playing a round with one of our men's golfers (one of our 5 who participated in the NCAA tourney) I specifically asked him about the pants vs shorts issue and he didn't really seem to care one way or another.
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I suspect John will make an announcement tomorrow ....


Mr. Currie

Please ask our golf coach Haas to allow the men to wear shorts like the other teams.

The long-standing argument that it helps them to wear the long pants even in the 90’s degree heat because it makes them feel like a pro golfer and therefore superior to their counterparts wearing shorts looking like amateur golfers no longer works.

It may have used to but now when our guys see their heroes Justin and Jordan and Ricky wearing shorts with no shoes and no shirts playing in their spare time they no longer associate pro golfers with always wearing long pants.

Anyway it’s been debated back and forth for years and I felt so bad seeing my beloved Deacs lose today in heart-breaking fashion and wonder if they may have been able to finish Stanford off had they been physically more comfortable.

Times have changed and I can remember years ago when the men’s tennis team wore the collared shirts and so on and now we have them as comfortable as possible in the t-shirts and so proud of where the tennis team is now.

Yes we used to produce lots of mens pro golfers but not so many anymore but this is college amateur athletics anyway so let the pros have their rules where they try to have the guys in Hawaii in the Winter and California and Florida in the spring where they always try to have them in the 70’s with their long pants but that doesn’t work for college where our guys were supposed to play 36 holes today and tomorrow in the scorching 90’s degrees heat.

Let’s get this changed right away.
 
Bubble Boy said:
I don't know for certain, but I bet that is a false statement, especially the one pot of money part. The people that influence and help fund/pay a basketball decision are not the same that would influence a golf decision. The Tour players/ex-players are going to be very influential in Haas remaining or not remaining as the coach. Same with a certain big donor on the tennis side of things.
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I know my experience is unique, but I know 5 former players (one Haddock era, 4 Haas era) and 4-5 former recruits that played at other ACC schools and all but one had negative experiences with Haas.

Obviously, this can't be the norm, or he wouldn't still be around.
 
Wakeforest22890 said:
Right personal vendettas
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You keep using that word, but I'm not sure you know what it means. Having negative experiences with someone's ability to perform a job does not mean you have a vendetta against them. I do not have a personal vendetta against my coworker, even though I think he should be replaced.
 
Shorty said:
I can’t think of a team college sport in which the coach has less impact than in golf, other than recruiting the players. The rules of the game prohibit players from receiving coaching or advise while on the course.

It’s all about the players. Jesse Haddock wouldn’t have been Jesse Haddock without Lanny Wadkins, Joe Inman, Eddie Pearce, Curtis Strange, Jay Haas, Scott Hoch, Gary Hallberg, Billy Andrade, etc.
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Is that correct? I've noticed a lot of talk between some players and coaches during the NCAA's on the Golf Channel and I doubt they're talking about where they're going for dinner.
 
mebanedeac said:
I don't think Haas should be fired this season. Where is the logic in firing a coach that takes his team to #3 in the nation and keeping a coach that can't break out of the bottom 3 in the ACC?

I do think that Currie should diplomatically communicate that there needs to be improvement in the mental toughness of the players perhaps. Golf is, I believe, the toughest sport to master consistently. And that is particularly true in highly pressurized situations like the competition for the national championship. The disappointment comes when proven talent fails repeatedly in such competition.
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Posts like this show that people have lost their minds.
 
Recruits are just telling tiger that they don’t like haas or he’s asking their opinions? Again he’s wanted haas gone for ten years. He’s obviously had personal experiences with Haas given his discussions of his own golf in the past. That to me goes beyond simply an opinion he’s formed based solely on Haas’ performance.
 
I'm still kinda pissed at Bill Dooley for not turning me into an NFL quarterback. I have a very negative opinion of him for this shortcoming.
 
Wakeforest22890 said:
Recruits are just telling tiger that they don’t like haas or he’s asking their opinions? Again he’s wanted haas gone for ten years. He’s obviously had personal experiences with Haas given his discussions of his own golf in the past. That to me goes beyond simply an opinion he’s formed based solely on Haas’ performance.
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His performance has been acceptable to you, given our historical success in golf?

And 2 of the former recruits (HS friends far, far better than I ever was) went on to become All ACC/All American players, one who is on the PGA Tour. They had offers from Wake and elected to go elsewhere due to Haas. And again, 3 of the 4 former Wake players I know have a negative opinion of Haas. It's not just people who ended up going to other schools.

But if we were winning the ACC once every 3-4 years and consistently making match play in the NCAAs, I wouldn't be saying a thing. It all comes down to performance. This year was a positive one overall, and hopefully it continues.
 
Wakeforest22890 said:
Recruits are just telling tiger that they don’t like haas or he’s asking their opinions? Again he’s wanted haas gone for ten years. He’s obviously had personal experiences with Haas given his discussions of his own golf in the past. That to me goes beyond simply an opinion he’s formed based solely on Haas’ performance.
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It's not as if this is new. There are many besides Tiger who question Haas's leadership of Wake golf, and it's been a lot longer than 10 years. It was going on while I was in school in the late 90's after Haas took over a team that finished 2nd, and had finished in the Top 25 every year but 2 since 1967, and didn't do anything with it. Hell, I remember it being a hush-hush topic of converation around the Wake Pro-Am's until Bill showed up and saved the day and Haas name in 2001.

During the little run of good teams that never performed to their peak from 2001-2006, people kinda leveled off on Haas, but he had his doubters from the start. But since Bill and Webb left, it's been a whole bunch of shit as well until very recently. Great, so Haas is able to put together good teams every 6-12 years...sign him up for a lifetime contract.
 
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Based upon this mornings experience, things can change quickly, but about halfway through the semis, Stanford is in control over Vandy as they are up in 4 of the 5 matches, including 3 up in three of them. After being 4 down at the turn in the morning against WF, Isaiah Salinda won 11 of the next 16 holes that he played.


Vandy must have a really crappy coach... :cool:
 
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The game is totally different now than it was in the 70s and 80s. I mean how many private schools have even won the title in the last two decades? We could have more ACC success sure but we are consistently winning tournaments in the regular season, recruiting top players, and just having bad postseasons. What is he doing differently at the playoff stage compared to the regular season?
 
Wakeforest22890 said:
The game is totally different now than it was in the 70s and 80s. I mean how many private schools have even won the title in the last two decades? We could have more ACC success sure but we are consistently winning tournaments in the regular season, recruiting top players, and just having bad postseasons. What is he doing differently at the playoff stage compared to the regular season?
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How should we know? We're not golf coaches. Maybe other coaches work more on the psychological side of the game? Maybe they're more active in course management? Maybe they have a better eye for junior talent that will produce on the biggest college/amateur stages and advance to the pros? The only player I can remember since Webb that most people thought was destined for the pros when he stepped on campus was Grayson Murray, and he lasted one semester at Wake.
 
Wakeforest22890 said:
The game is totally different now than it was in the 70s and 80s. I mean how many private schools have even won the title in the last two decades?
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For a numbers guy, and one arguing about "overall success" vs championships, you should know that's a silly question. It's not like private schools were dominating championships in the 70's and 80's. Wake won 3, BYU 1, unless I missed one.

Peppedine won in 97. Standford in 2007, so in the last two decades, there's been 1. If you go back to 2016 and look at the previous two decades, you'd get 2/20 vs 4/20 in the 70's/80's. We'd need to look at the overall competitiveness of private schools throughout the Top 25 to really get a feel for if the game has changed with regards to private school competitiveness. And even then you'd have no proof that it's because they are private schools.
 
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tigerswood said:
How should we know? We're not golf coaches. Maybe other coaches work more on the psychological side of the game? Maybe they're more active in course management? Maybe they have a better eye for junior talent that will produce on the biggest college/amateur stages and advance to the pros? The only player I can remember since Webb that most people thought was destined for the pros when he stepped on campus was Grayson Murray, and he lasted one semester at Wake.
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Both Zalatoris and Young were big time recruits that projected to have pro futures.
 
Miserable fan base. A great year for our golf programs. Bitching about long pants. Really?
 
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