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Andie MacDowell. The shittiest and most inexplicably successful actor of the last half century.
 
mako1331 said:
Andie MacDowell. The shittiest and most inexplicably successful actor of the last half century.
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You're out of the will. She was the perfect choice for Groundhog Day and Four Weddings and a Funeral.
 
scooter84 said:
No, I said it was misguided because it had nothing to do with the point at hand - and assumed facts not in evidence.

I have explained elsewhere the message from the survey that was being discussed. Your comment poo-pooed the results of the survey, saying that you were sure "way more of them were given money and opportunities they didn't earn." Really? Why are you so sure of that? And what do you mean by "didn't earn"? The survey specifically said they did not inherit their money from relatives or anyone else - so I don't know what other money they could have been given that they "didn't earn"? As for opportunities - who knows? How does someone earn an opportunity other than by working hard and probably getting a little lucky? The whole point of the survey was that most of these every-day millionaires earned everything they had - not all of them, clearly, but most.

To reiterate that last point - lots and lots of millionaires clearly do fit the model you are apparently talking about - they were raised wealthy, they inherited money, they were given advantages not available to others, etc. But, this survey gives hope to the rest of us to whom those things do not apply - you can get there other ways, ways that are relatively simple and accessible to people without those advantages.

If you want to say the survey is wrong, fine, but I have no reason to believe it is.
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The point in hand is what you stated: "The whole point of the survey was that most of these every-day millionaires earned everything they had - not all of them, clearly, but most."

I mentioned examples of wealth transfer and advantage that were not included in the survey. You seem to be saying that anything the survey doesn't ask about did not exist.

"The survey specifically said they did not inherit their money from relatives or anyone else - so I don't know what other money they could have been given that they "didn't earn"?"

Inheritance is one specific type of wealth transfer. In this case, the survey asked if they specifically inherited money from relatives or anyone else. That doesn't include wealth their parents inherited. It doesn't include parents paying for college instead of having to pay themselves. It doesn't include gifts from parents. It doesn't include low or no interest personal loans. It doesn't include any number of wealth transfers we know exist.

Even if you look at the stat, that 79% includes people whose parents and maybe even grandparents are still alive. So the percentage of millionaires who inherited wealth among whose close relatives have passed away is surely higher than 21%. It's a very misleading statistic.

"How does someone earn an opportunity other than by working hard and probably getting a little lucky?"

Plenty of ways. People get opportunities based on their connections. "It's all about who you know" and "A little luck goes a long way." We have idioms in our culture that directly address unearned opportunity.

Someone can become a millionaire by parking their money in the right place. Someone can become a millionaire by taking advantage of favorable market conditions and/or government policy and buying a house and starting an IRA at the right time. Someone who worked just as hard or harder in a different economy would not be as likely to gain the same amount of wealth.
 
RJKarl said:
You're out of the will. She was the perfect choice for Groundhog Day and Four Weddings and a Funeral.
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It was bound to happen. She is the only thing keeping Groundhog Day from being a perfect movie. I humbly ask that you watch the line delivery at 1:12 in defense of my assertion of her shittiness.




Ughhhhh, she is intolerable.
 
BiffTannen said:
Does anybody remember that when Andie MacDowell was in Tarzan the Ape Man, they went back and had Glenn Close overdub all of her dialog because they realized she sounded like a redneck from SC ? I remember.
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it's hard to believe that there was a time when Andie MacDowell was a movie star. she is terrible. although she was of course great in groundhog day.
 
PhDeac said:
The point in hand is what you stated: "The whole point of the survey was that most of these every-day millionaires earned everything they had - not all of them, clearly, but most."

I mentioned examples of wealth transfer and advantage that were not included in the survey. You seem to be saying that anything the survey doesn't ask about did not exist.

"The survey specifically said they did not inherit their money from relatives or anyone else - so I don't know what other money they could have been given that they "didn't earn"?"

Inheritance is one specific type of wealth transfer. In this case, the survey asked if they specifically inherited money from relatives or anyone else. That doesn't include wealth their parents inherited. It doesn't include parents paying for college instead of having to pay themselves. It doesn't include gifts from parents. It doesn't include low or no interest personal loans. It doesn't include any number of wealth transfers we know exist.

Even if you look at the stat, that 79% includes people whose parents and maybe even grandparents are still alive. So the percentage of millionaires who inherited wealth among whose close relatives have passed away is surely higher than 21%. It's a very misleading statistic.

"How does someone earn an opportunity other than by working hard and probably getting a little lucky?"

Plenty of ways. People get opportunities based on their connections. "It's all about who you know" and "A little luck goes a long way." We have idioms in our culture that directly address unearned opportunity.

Someone can become a millionaire by parking their money in the right place. Someone can become a millionaire by taking advantage of favorable market conditions and/or government policy and buying a house and starting an IRA at the right time. Someone who worked just as hard or harder in a different economy would not be as likely to gain the same amount of wealth.
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Jesus. You're deep in the kool-aid.
 
mako1331 said:
It was bound to happen. She is the only thing keeping Groundhog Day from being a perfect movie. I humbly ask that you watch the line delivery at 1:12 in defense of my assertion of her shittiness.




Ughhhhh, she is intolerable.
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I feel this way with Drew Berrymore. Her face is so punchable in a "I grew up in a trailer park and my abusive husband (he doesn't really mean it, ok?) beats me, but only hits me because he loves me and how HAWT I am" way. UGH, god. She's so fucking annoying.
 
also, someone who didn't work very hard in school or at work and just happened to be in the right place at the right time could end up working for a company that was acquired by google in 2007 or so.

BANG
 
Grabs Turds Bare said:
I feel this way with Drew Berrymore. Her face is so punchable in a "I grew up in a trailer park and my abusive husband (he doesn't really mean it, ok?) beats me, but only hits me because he loves me and how HAWT I am" way. UGH, god. She's so fucking annoying.
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she peaked in ET
 
Grabs Turds Bare said:
I feel this way with Drew Berrymore. Her face is so punchable in a "I grew up in a trailer park and my abusive husband (he doesn't really mean it, ok?) beats me, but only hits me because he loves me and how HAWT I am" way. UGH, god. She's so fucking annoying.
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yeesh
 
mako1331 said:
It was bound to happen. She is the only thing keeping Groundhog Day from being a perfect movie. I humbly ask that you watch the line delivery at 1:12 in defense of my assertion of her shittiness.




Ughhhhh, she is intolerable.
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Next thing you'll be saying is seeing Salma Hayek and Penelope Cruz ride horses, fight in rivers and more isn't great cinema.

 
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