• Welcome to OGBoards 10.0, keep in mind that we will be making LOTS of changes to smooth out the experience here and make it as close as possible functionally to the old software, but feel free to drop suggestions or requests in the Tech Support subforum!

Dortch leaving for NFL

But playing in the NFL doesn't open doors?

He got hurt in each of his last two years. Why would you expect him to be healthy if he returned? If he got hurt again, he wouldn't even get a look.

Most of the same doors that would be opened for Greg from Wake will still be there.

So he got hurt his last season at Wake and got exactly as much of a look as he would have if he stayed healthy. Why would a hypothetical senior season injury change that? He would have gotten just as much of an opportunity (very likely more of one) next year in the NFL if he stays for his senior year, injury or not.
 
A similar type of decision was addressed today by ECU baseball coach Godwin at the Raleigh Sports Club. . Football vs baseball, two different sports and one very physical and injury prone.
But for baseball - Bigs offer a kid $1M signing bonus vs college scholarship offer (those are not usually full) . In 6 years if you didn't make it big you'd have this situation. 1- $1 Million is more like $500k up front after taxes, etc. 2- after 6 yrs, you may have $50K remaining, but no degree, no experience,etc. and on your own. Which was the better decision there?

But he said if a guys has a 95 MPH fastball throwing in 35 degree Spring weather, he is gone, and not signing the scholarship offer.

I think thats overblowing it a bit in favor of college for baseball. For one, to only have 50K left after 6 years from 500K you’d have to spend 75K a year (without giving up anything more in income taxes). That’s probably higher than those draftees are (well, should be) spending a year considering most are not supporting anyone but themselves.

Secondly, anyone that gets a $1 million signing bonus from an MLB team was a top 10 (more likely top 3-5) round pick. Those guys typically make it to at least AA/AAA. You make somewhat of a salary there compared to lower levels, so they’d be even more financially well-off.

Finally, this doesn’t even express that you have a much higher chance of improving your baseball skills enough to make an MLB roster on an MLB developmental team than a college team. No classes, year round baseball and focus on your body/performance.

And you can always go back to college at 26 or whatever. College baseball doesn’t even give full scholarships, so is paying full price after you flame out that much worse than a partial scholarship?
 
So he got hurt his last season at Wake and got exactly as much of a look as he would have if he stayed healthy. Why would a hypothetical senior season injury change that? He would have gotten just as much of an opportunity (very likely more of one) next year in the NFL if he stays for his senior year, injury or not.

With the benefit of hindsight, almost always better to be drafted. Unless there was absolutely nothing he could have done to improve his draft stock, it would hand been better to come back. Again though, that’s hindsight.
 
So he got hurt his last season at Wake and got exactly as much of a look as he would have if he stayed healthy. Why would a hypothetical senior season injury change that? He would have gotten just as much of an opportunity (very likely more of one) next year in the NFL if he stays for his senior year, injury or not.

If he got injured in each of his three years, teams are most likely to look elsewhere.
 
A similar type of decision was addressed today by ECU baseball coach Godwin at the Raleigh Sports Club. . Football vs baseball, two different sports and one very physical and injury prone.
But for baseball - Bigs offer a kid $1M signing bonus vs college scholarship offer (those are not usually full) . In 6 years if you didn't make it big you'd have this situation. 1- $1 Million is more like $500k up front after taxes, etc. 2- after 6 yrs, you may have $50K remaining, but no degree, no experience,etc. and on your own. Which was the better decision there?

But he said if a guys has a 95 MPH fastball throwing in 35 degree Spring weather, he is gone, and not signing the scholarship offer.

Reminds me of Kam Uter, the stud WR who turned us down after he got picked by the Dodgers in the 12th round. In four seasons in the organization, he only pitched 1.1 innings in Single A ball. He gave up 5 walks, 2 hits, 4 ER in that one appearance.

He gave up a full ride to play P5 football for a $200K signing bonus and he spent four seasons in the rookie league. He would have gotten every opportunity to play. He was a huge recruit at that time.
 
Last edited:
If Dortch had stayed Hinton probably doesn't get as much of an opportunity to shine and maybe his profile and pro prospects are much worse?
It's all a crap shoot anyway so it is very difficult to know what is best. I personally think he would have been better off staying - but that assumes he doesn't suffer a serious injury and there is no guarantee that wouldn't have happened.

Hinton probably transfers with Dortch here. Our season is probably about the same anyway. He bet on himself. Can’t fault the kid for that. He could still play in the CFL.
 
The minimum salary for the CFL will go up to about C$65,000 (about US$49,000). The second highest paid player in Canada makes C$550,000. The salary cap in 2019 was C$5.2M for a TEAM. The average player makes about C$90,000.
 
The minimum salary for the CFL will go up to about C$65,000 (about US$49,000). The second highest paid player in Canada makes C$550,000. The salary cap in 2019 was C$5.2M for a TEAM. The average player makes about C$90,000.

Ouch. No wonder practice squad spots are so coveted in the NFL.
 
A similar type of decision was addressed today by ECU baseball coach Godwin at the Raleigh Sports Club. . Football vs baseball, two different sports and one very physical and injury prone.
But for baseball - Bigs offer a kid $1M signing bonus vs college scholarship offer (those are not usually full) . In 6 years if you didn't make it big you'd have this situation. 1- $1 Million is more like $500k up front after taxes, etc. 2- after 6 yrs, you may have $50K remaining, but no degree, no experience,etc. and on your own. Which was the better decision there?

But he said if a guys has a 95 MPH fastball throwing in 35 degree Spring weather, he is gone, and not signing the scholarship offer.

The better decision here, by a mile, is to take the 1 million dollar signing bonus and not got to ECU. MAYBE if the kid turns down 1 million for Vandy, UT, Stanford, or UVA it is an acceptable decision.
 
The better decision here, by a mile, is to take the 1 million dollar signing bonus and not got to ECU. MAYBE if the kid turns down 1 million for Vandy, UT, Stanford, or UVA it is an acceptable decision.

Cost of Attendance for an undergraduate NC resident, on campus, is $22,389/year. So if you're getting a half scholarship, you're sacrificing $45,000 over four years (depending on the actul scholarship) of paid college for a better chance of playing in the major leagues for millions of dollars. It makes sense to go pro if you're a legit prospect, even if you're not getting a significant signing bonus.
 
A similar type of decision was addressed today by ECU baseball coach Godwin at the Raleigh Sports Club. . Football vs baseball, two different sports and one very physical and injury prone.
But for baseball - Bigs offer a kid $1M signing bonus vs college scholarship offer (those are not usually full) . In 6 years if you didn't make it big you'd have this situation. 1- $1 Million is more like $500k up front after taxes, etc. 2- after 6 yrs, you may have $50K remaining, but no degree, no experience,etc. and on your own. Which was the better decision there?

But he said if a guys has a 95 MPH fastball throwing in 35 degree Spring weather, he is gone, and not signing the scholarship offer.

A signing bonus of that amount usually comes with higher than minimum minor league salary guarantees. It's likely that kid would still have much more than half of his bonus left (probably close to all of it).
 
The minimum salary for the CFL will go up to about C$65,000 (about US$49,000). The second highest paid player in Canada makes C$550,000. The salary cap in 2019 was C$5.2M for a TEAM. The average player makes about C$90,000.

Seems like decent money right out of college doing something you love.
 
People talk about the CFL like it's a default backup plan to the NFL. The rosters are smaller, there are only 9 teams, and there are only about 20 slots for US players. And it doesn't seem like many CFL players end up in the NFL.
 
zqglass;3398747[B said:
]Don’t forget about Canadian taxes.[/B] There’s a reason that hockey players would rather play in Raleigh than Montreal.

Take off!
 
A signing bonus of that amount usually comes with higher than minimum minor league salary guarantees. It's likely that kid would still have much more than half of his bonus left (probably close to all of it).

The baseball talk is missing a major piece that Godwin conveniently is omitting.

1) Every HS player that signs in the draft, also gets 4 years, 100% college tuition paid for, so long as the player starts taking classes 2 years after they are no longer in affiliated ball. A really strong move by MLB to get kids to DELAY, not forego college.

2) So worst case scenario, these “26 year olds with 50k” (not accurate) actually have a full ride for 4 years. That beats the doors off a 25/50/66% scholarship. Shoot, in most cases, anything over 125k signing bonus, the numbers work out better for the player. Take 125k and 4 years 100% is much better than 66% scholly and potential of $0 bonus in 3 years. The MLB scholarship plan is taxed as income when used after playing days are over, but numbers still benefit the player, if pure dollars and cents is the argument. If the argument is development or “having the college experience as an 18-21 year old”, that is a completely different discussion.

3) This is why the 11.7 scholarship limit in baseball sets coaches so far behind the 8 ball. They only have a couple to give and if not given just about any player not on 100% is financially incentivized to go pro if available. Football on the other hand are full 100% scholarship, and I am unaware of any NFL scholarship plan paying for Dortch to come back to Wake for 2 years. Apples to oranges.

If Dortch could come back to Wake, paid by the NFL, him leaving early was a no-brainer. But even without still not a terrible decision why he left. If he stayed, it sounds like there was little to no chance Hinton would have stayed to be his backup. Good for Greg, good for Hinton, and good for Wake if they welcome Dortch back with open arms any time he wants. Was a really fun player to cheer for.
 
Sorry RJ, I quoted your post above because I wanted to mention that minor league pay is the same for everyone. It used to be the big bonus guys could sign big league deals and get paid better, but they got rid of that a couple years ago. MLB wants every minor leaguer (even 1st round picks) making less per hour than the hot dog vendor (this is a statistically accurate statement).
 
Back
Top