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Pinstripe Bowl vs Michigan State

Buttermaker said:
What games do you see us winning to get to 7-8?
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As things stand today (and there will be significant change before next season and during the season), WF will be favored:

@ ODU
Villanova
BC
Cuse
@ State
@ Duke

The bottom 4 teams all have significant QB question-marks heading into next year. Each teams prospects could shift dramatically if their QB situations are favorably resolved.

WF would be close + or - a FG against:

App
Miami
@ FSU
@L'ville

If Norvell starts quick at FSU, the perception of that program will change quickly. If Miami can find an offense, the Canes could also rise quickly. Our fanbase was scarred by home loss to L'ville, but they have a lot of holes, particularly on defense (L'ville gave up 34+ points 8 times -- gave up almost 40 per game against ACC teams); their current power rating is below WF's.

WF will be a double digit dog against ND, and a bigger dog at home against Clemson.

Guessing WF's win total heading into next season (absent some huge change) will be 7 to 7.5. Think that is fair. That said, hard to get 8 wins with likely losses to Clemson and ND. That removes margin for error and injuries (or teams like FSU or Miami to finally play to the form that is expected of them).
 
Lots of comments here about play calling, RPO, etc.(which I agree with). However it seems like a lot of people gave the defense a pass. True, they only gave up 20 points, but had two drives deep in our territory stopped with an interception and a fumble. There was also the missed chip shot fg. MSU had more yards(over 500 I believe, 10 more minutes of possession and ran a lot more plays( aren't we the ones that's supposed to do that? I saw wide open receivers all day long and imho some of the worst tackling of any bowl game this yea. Their guys were breaking tackles even when we had multiple defensive players involved. Yes, I agree with the comments concerning the improvements needed on offense, but I really feel that if we think that is all that's needed, we're due more disappointment.
 
Deac65 said:
Lots of comments here about play calling, RPO, etc.(which I agree with). However it seems like a lot of people gave the defense a pass. True, they only gave up 20 points, but had two drives deep in our territory stopped with an interception and a fumble. There was also the missed chip shot fg. MSU had more yards(over 500 I believe, 10 more minutes of possession and ran a lot more plays( aren't we the ones that's supposed to do that? I saw wide open receivers all day long and imho some of the worst tackling of any bowl game this yea. Their guys were breaking tackles even when we had multiple defensive players involved. Yes, I agree with the comments concerning the improvements needed on offense, but I really feel that if we think that is all that's needed, we're due more disappointment.
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Most fans can easily recognize the vanilla offense, while it is more difficult to understand defensive schemes. Moreover, our problems on defense are mostly attributable to injuries and poor recruiting.
 
Clawson's first step in improving the recruiting rankings was to raise the floor by having higher rated "worst few" recruits. Next step is to get the top recruits to be higher rated. This is started. The real impact will be getting the bulk of the recruits from higher level three star guys.
 
wfu22fan said:
Most fans can easily recognize the vanilla offense, while it is more difficult to understand defensive schemes. Moreover, our problems on defense are mostly attributable to injuries and poor recruiting.
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The most observable weakness on D is pass coverage. A few teams we covered ok (NCSU, DUKE) but for everyone else uncontested catches, many with no defender within 10 or more yards. This was a common event.
 
Our weakest part on D is tackling and has been for multiple seasons. We need new coaches at every level on D.
 
Didn’t really get a sense of how bad the DBs were til I saw it in person

also, Bassey played a lot of safety — hadn’t caught that during the regular season
 
Bassey is not so afraid of tackling as numbers 4, 18 and 20 seem to be.
 
Fucking Refs, 1st chop block cost us a 1st and goal was complete bullshit. Complete bullshit. The tackle didn’t even touch him. Geezus Im tired of getting screwed.
 
80deacon said:
The most observable weakness on D is pass coverage. A few teams we covered ok (NCSU, DUKE) but for everyone else uncontested catches, many with no defender within 10 or more yards. This was a common event.
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Really good defensive backs must either be difficult to find or difficult to develop. Oklahoma's d-backs were really weak, but they were somewhat depleted. It is hard to find a team with solid d-backs across the board. The defensive backfields for OSU and Clemson were extremely good both in coverage and in tackling. But, that's part of the reason they were so ranked so high.

It is remarkable that Clemson seems to use so many players on defense. They are really deep.
 
diverdeac said:
Fucking Refs, 1st chop block cost us a 1st and goal was complete bullshit. Complete bullshit. The tackle didn’t even touch him. Geezus Im tired of getting screwed.
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That play with the awful chop block call when it definitely was not, and the goofy low throw by Newman into the D line were just bonkers.

Hard to overcome.
 
diverdeac said:
Fucking Refs, 1st chop block cost us a 1st and goal was complete bullshit. Complete bullshit. The tackle didn’t even touch him. Geezus Im tired of getting screwed.
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You guys gotta get over a call or two so called "screwing us". Calls are missed here & there both ways. It happens because officials are human just like the players and coaches. Just like players making mistakes by throwing interceptions & fumbling or missing tackling. You have to learn to overcome all of th4ese things. They happen, get over it! Human game played & officiated by humans. MSU had calls go against them that they did not like also that we benefited from.
 
TheReff said:
You guys gotta get over a call or two so called "screwing us". Calls are missed here & there both ways. It happens because officials are human just like the players and coaches. Just like players making mistakes by throwing interceptions & fumbling or missing tackling. You have to learn to overcome all of th4ese things. They happen, get over it! Human game played & officiated by humans. MSU had calls go against them that they did not like also that we benefited from.
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Chop block calls are pretty rare. I don't think Wake had any all season. And then two in one game?
 
TheReff said:
You guys gotta get over a call or two so called "screwing us". Calls are missed here & there both ways. It happens because officials are human just like the players and coaches. Just like players making mistakes by throwing interceptions & fumbling or missing tackling. You have to learn to overcome all of th4ese things. They happen, get over it! Human game played & officiated by humans. MSU had calls go against them that they did not like also that we benefited from.
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Reff,
I have forgotten the calls thatMSU got that benefitted us but would like to hear your recap of those calls, after that I may agree with your statement.
 
People, why are any of you discussing officiating with Reff? For decades, he has never seen a bad call or bad game by a ref.
 
HONDO2 said:
Well they were rather obvious....
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Hell no they were not obvious. The first Mangum didn’t even touch the guy, walker cut him in a perfectly legal block, and the fucking ref threw the flag so fast it looked pre meditated, it was not a good call it was a shit call, and it cost us 60 years and a 1st and goal.
 
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