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Basham, Surratt, Hartman and Kern return

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They look like they’re big fans of each other LOL.
 
RJKarl said:
He struggled in the second half of the season due injuries not him playing poorly.

As to bailing on his team, he stayed for four years. He graduated. Selfish, entitled, privileged bozos, who would leave their job in a heartbeat for a better job, with a better future are trying to be holier than thou here. It's a terrible and transparent look.
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😂😂😂😂
 
I get why folks are getting hot under the collar here, but ... college football is a billion dollar business. Dave Clawson makes north of $2million a year, his coordinators close to a $1million and all of our assistant coaches are living well. This is the norm in college football.

The players don't get paid. We ask them to leverage a $70,000 per year education to get a degree. We have full time staff and student tutors helping them to manage their time and get their work done. We ask them to commit themselves fully to the team. Most do. Those that don't usually transfer out. It is too intense an environment for kids to essentially be reluctant participants. Any kid who has been at Wake 4 years and hasn't played - we don't even allow them to take a scholarship for a 5th season, they graduate and our commitment to them is over. It is only the kids who are in the 2-deep and are going to play that we "reward" the 5th year to.

It is not too hard to be fully committed to your team and teammates and still be planning for your own future. Those two things can run parallel. Nobody was complaining about Jamie being an aloof teammate or an indifferent teammate through all of the last 4 years.

The only slightly sour taste I have in mouth regarding all of this is that I believe our starting QB in our bowl game had a pretty good idea - like 80% - that he was going to leverage the system to do a grad year for a top 10 team who runs a pro style offense. And that distraction showed. You could argue it showed the last two games - Syracuse and Michigan State. All this stuff about how bad Newman was the last 4 games is bullshit. He was very very good against both State and Duke. Va Tech, our blocking absolutely sucked and we lost Sage after putting up 14 points in the first half against a defense playing great for their outgoing legend coach.

But at every point in the college football billion dollar landscape, individuals are leveraging the system to get more money and prepare for their future. Coaches do it to get contract extensions. High School players play colleges off each other, leveraging the system for free college. NFL prospects sit out bowl games to protect against their future. Hell, the starting DE for the 49ers sat out a whole year so he wouldn't get hurt.

Grad transfers - this has been happening now for several years. it is not like Newman is cheating the system. He's leveraging the system, pretty standard stuff and not all that surprising. If we ran a pro style offense, he'd still be at Wake, I assume. Kid is totally betting on himself. He's got to learn a whole system, find chemistry with your WRs that won't be as good as Sage and Scotty or will be raw like Donovan Green early, and he is going to play Alabama on national television in his 3rd game. He'll be the talk of that game leading up to it. That is about as incredible as situation as any athlete could imagine. And we want him to walk away from that so he can ... battle it out again with Hartman in an offense that some people in the NFL are telling him give some teams pause. I would hope I'd have the balls to do what he's doing. Because failure is a real possibility.

I honestly don't watch that much college football outside Wake on most weekends. Actually none. I watch some highlights. I will definitely be watching that Georgia - Uva game and Georgia - Alabama game. Should be fun. I imagine all of his teammates are excited for him. Nobody more than Sam Hartman.

Failed college quarterback, bachelor and sometimes model Tyler Cameron is correct about crowd though. We need more butts in the seats.
 
OldGoldBeard said:
There there, millennial.

It seems there are four or more groups of people who have weighed in on this. First are the wfu22fan psychos who are comparing Newman to Benedict Arnold and freaking out over his BETRAYAL of the program. Those people would indeed be hypocrites if they supported grad transfers.

Second are the people who view WF as a destination, not a stepping-stone, and think that our players can succeed at the highest level and turn into pro prospects here, ala Aaron Curry, Kevin Johnson, or, since you want to change sports, Tim Duncan. It would make perfect sense for these people to want our basketball program to bring in grad transfers, because we perceive WF as a destination school that athletes should want to attend. However, I would still not expect fans of the grad transfer's former school to clap like a seal for a player who used their program as a stepping stone.

Third are the LOWF losers who take the opposite view: we are a stepping stone, not a destination, and if an athlete really, really wants to succeed, he needs to move on to a bigger and better school instead of staying at LOWF. The people comparing Newman's move to moving on to a "better" job or "better" grad school fit into this category. People in category 2 reject the premise.

Fourth are the Wellmanites like RJ, Natty O, and all the other losers who have polluted our AD for so long. Not only do they have the LOWF attitude from category 3, but they also wring their hands and clutch their pearls over the abhorrent lack of sportsmanship being displayed by our fanbase in daring to criticize Newman. It's SELFISH and JEALOUS and they just don't have the COURAGE to do what Newman did! How dare they want to win games instead of being HAPPY for Newman's good fortune? Presumably, they would be even happier if Basham and Greer and Surratt and Hartman and Tom and Walker all transferred to "better" programs too and we won 2 games next year.

People like RJ have been holding back our AD for decades. I pray that Currie doesn't have the same attitude as RJ and Wellman and can break out of their LOWF loserdom. We need an AD who views Wake as a destination program and who values winning games over being a good sport to someone who leaves our program to bolster a competitor.
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Great post. Perfectly nailed it.
 
Rafi said:
Great post. Perfectly nailed it.
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He's not transferring to a "better" program though. You can think that Wake absolutely can be a top 15 program and still understand Newman going to play a grad year in a pro style offense.
 
jaybone said:
I get why folks are getting hot under the collar here, but ... college football is a billion dollar business. Dave Clawson makes north of $2million a year, his coordinators close to a $1million and all of our assistant coaches are living well. This is the norm in college football.

The players don't get paid. We ask them to leverage a $70,000 per year education to get a degree. We have full time staff and student tutors helping them to manage their time and get their work done. We ask them to commit themselves fully to the team. Most do. Those that don't usually transfer out. It is too intense an environment for kids to essentially be reluctant participants. Any kid who has been at Wake 4 years and hasn't played - we don't even allow them to take a scholarship for a 5th season, they graduate and our commitment to them is over. It is only the kids who are in the 2-deep and are going to play that we "reward" the 5th year to.

It is not too hard to be fully committed to your team and teammates and still be planning for your own future. Those two things can run parallel. Nobody was complaining about Jamie being an aloof teammate or an indifferent teammate through all of the last 4 years.

The only slightly sour taste I have in mouth regarding all of this is that I believe our starting QB in our bowl game had a pretty good idea - like 80% - that he was going to leverage the system to do a grad year for a top 10 team who runs a pro style offense. And that distraction showed. You could argue it showed the last two games - Syracuse and Michigan State. All this stuff about how bad Newman was the last 4 games is bullshit. He was very very good against both State and Duke. Va Tech, our blocking absolutely sucked and we lost Sage after putting up 14 points in the first half against a defense playing great for their outgoing legend coach.

But at every point in the college football billion dollar landscape, individuals are leveraging the system to get more money and prepare for their future. Coaches do it to get contract extensions. High School players play colleges off each other, leveraging the system for free college. NFL prospects sit out bowl games to protect against their future. Hell, the starting DE for the 49ers sat out a whole year so he wouldn't get hurt.

Grad transfers - this has been happening now for several years. it is not like Newman is cheating the system. He's leveraging the system, pretty standard stuff and not all that surprising. If we ran a pro style offense, he'd still be at Wake, I assume. Kid is totally betting on himself. He's got to learn a whole system, find chemistry with your WRs that won't be as good as Sage and Scotty or will be raw like Donovan Green early, and he is going to play Alabama on national television in his 3rd game. He'll be the talk of that game leading up to it. That is about as incredible as situation as any athlete could imagine. And we want him to walk away from that so he can ... battle it out again with Hartman in an offense that some people in the NFL are telling him give some teams pause. I would hope I'd have the balls to do what he's doing. Because failure is a real possibility.

I honestly don't watch that much college football outside Wake on most weekends. Actually none. I watch some highlights. I will definitely be watching that Georgia - Uva game and Georgia - Alabama game. Should be fun. I imagine all of his teammates are excited for him. Nobody more than Sam Hartman.

Failed college quarterback, bachelor and sometimes model Tyler Cameron is correct about crowd though. We need more butts in the seats.
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Yea, Hartman will be good maybe even better. Newman is slower making his reads. Sitting back in the pocket gives him more time, he has a great arm. What we need to do is focus on using th same system to bring in some O linemen and a corner.
 
89DeaconMike said:
If there is anyone who understands getting dumped for someone better its Tyler Cameron.
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The bachelorette probably did not want to compete with Tyler's mommy. As I recall she was fighting his battles on these boards for more playing time.
 
Serious question: better *college* QB, Wofford or Newman?

Let’s not shit on any of our players while discussing.

Believe it or not, I take Wofford. Consistency was more there and while Wofford played with some good players, he never had Surratt or Senior year Scotty.
 
stevewhite14 said:
Serious question: better *college* QB, Wofford or Newman?

Let’s not shit on any of our players while discussing.

Believe it or not, I take Wofford. Consistency was more there and while Wofford played with some good players, he never had Surratt or Senior year Scotty.
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I have no idea who Wofford is, but John Wolford had a great senior year.
 
Are the basketball post grads that we sign traitors?

Should we stop recruiting/signing grad transfers in all sports?
 
RJKarl said:
Are the basketball post grads that we sign traitors?

Should we stop recruiting/signing grad transfers in all sports?
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RJ, this isn't that hard. Fans of the schools those players transferred from might consider them traitors. UGA fans don't consider Newman a traitor, but obviously some Wake fans do. That's how this works.

Why do Green Bay fans still hate Brett Favre for going to the Vikings? It was just a business decision.
 
Rafi said:
RJ, this isn't that hard. Fans of the schools those players transferred from might consider them traitors. UGA fans don't consider Newman a traitor, but obviously some Wake fans do. That's how this works.

Why do Green Bay fans still hate Brett Favre for going to the Vikings? It was just a business decision.
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Because EVERY Green Bay fan who hated Favre for going to Minnesota was SELFISH and JEALOUS and STUPID McSTUPIDFACE and they should have CHEERED for Brett to win games instead of being PETTY
 
The Packers weren't going to sign Favre and he went a divisional rival.

But many of the same people who are giving Jamie shit are totally for us trying to get grad transfers. All I'm saying is they are hypocrites.
 
At the end of the day, I think Clawson is perfectly happy that Newman is gone; not that he had any issues with Newman as the starter, but now he has a clear-cut, no distractions (and I would add comfortable/confident) view for the next 2 years of who will be running his offense. The old saying that "if you have two QB's, you ain't got a QB" can apply here.
 
DownEastDeac said:
At the end of the day, I think Clawson is perfectly happy that Newman is gone; not that he had any issues with Newman as the starter, but now he has a clear-cut, no distractions (and I would add comfortable/confident) view for the next 2 years of who will be running his offense. The old saying that "if you have two QB's, you ain't got a QB" can apply here.
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This could very well be true...
 
RJKarl said:
The Packers weren't going to sign Favre and he went a divisional rival.

But many of the same people who are giving Jamie shit are totally for us trying to get grad transfers. All I'm saying is they are hypocrites.
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The problem with this argument is that the vast majority of players transfer because they weren’t getting playing time. The other big slice actually do move up a tier. So a grad transfer b-ball player like Johnson transferring from Northern Arizona to the ACC is legitimately a step up. It’s an LOWF attitude to say that Georgia and Wake aren’t the same tier. We are both schools in a P5 conference. He was the starting QB so it’s not about PT either. In addition, it is on record that they will be running more of an RPO style with him so that’s not it either.
 
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