Strickland33
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I'm just saying that Wes without his Wake connections isn't even mentioned on this board.
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I'm just saying that Wes without his Wake connections isn't even mentioned on this board.
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The dynamic of the Southern Conference changed ALOT.
During those 20 years, Davidson and College of Charleston were the kings of SoCon basketball and now they are playing elsewhere.
Under the current composition of the SoCon, UNCG is one of the better programs. Certainly better than VMI, Citadel, WCU Samford and Mercer.
No reason it can't compete with Wofford, Furman, ETSU and Chattanooga. It's in a decent sized city and has a home gym and access to a big coliseum where most of the big time local schools like to play at UNCG.
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Don't think so. This board has mentioned every semi-successful mid-major to low-major coach in the Carolinas and surrounding states (Bob Ritchie - Furman, Steve Forbes - ETSU, Earl Grant - Charleston, Pat Kelsey - Winthrop, Richie McKay - Liberty, Mike Rhoads - VCU). The fact that Wes Miller has a WF connection can be argued as either a benefit or a detriment, but the fact that his parents are WF supporters and that Wes grew up as WF fan is more a positive than a negative IMO. Regardless, any coach that is 96-30 over his last 4 years as a D-1 coach and is working 30 miles from WF's campus is at least going to get attention on this Board, whether they have a WF connection or not.
FWIW, I'm not saying Wes should get the WF job, but just that he should be vetted as a candidate, among many others. The AD, and whomever is assisting with the search, better leave no stone unturned to ensure that the best decision is made. For the most part, those that post here are limited in access to superficial information; so, we can argue about coaching resumes, but that just scratches the surface. Currie has essentially had a year to investigate, check references, talk to potential candidates, talk to former players, assistants, perform background checks, essentially crawl around in each candidates head, whatever else might help. Have faith he will make the right choice.
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Strickland33
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I want to wait and see how the season shakes out, but I liked the idea Steve Forbes, Craig Smith, and Mike Rhoades a lot.
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Those guys would be on my list too (would be a little concerned about Smith's lack of connections east of the Mississippi River), but have hard time understanding why its ok to hire a coaching from "freaking ETSU", but not "freaking UNCG".
As usual context is everything. As you can see, Pilch intentionally misled the board about who these coaches were when they got their big jobs. The only two who don't have more of a pedigree than HOF Wes are Drew (who took over after a murder and program problems) and Pikiell (Pilch got the name wrong) at a place that hasn't been in The Dance since 1991.
Few was the top assistant at the growing Gonzaga and was simply the logical promotion.
Portraying they came out of nowhere is totally disingenuous and misrepresenting who these guys were at the time.
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Lots of unnecessary bile from RJ.
The quoted post listed the previous head coaching stops of several current head coaches of top 25. Some had never been a HC at all; some had limited experience at mid-majors. Never have claimed that good coaches "come out of nowhere". Yes, Wes Miller has not acted as an assistant coach at a Power 5 school, if that is a must have for the next WF job, then Wes Miller doesn't qualify. FWIW, Danny Manning was a Kansas assistant for six years and worked for the program for 9 in total. Jeff [name redacted] was an NBA and Power V college assistant for 20 years. That experience as an assistant hasn't translated into success for the WF basketball program.
Thanks for noting the spelling error. Hey, can you explain your issues with Clawson's PTO offense again?
The quoted post listed the previous head coaching stops of several current head coaches of top 25. Some had never been a HC at all; some had limited experience at mid-majors. Never have claimed that good coaches "come out of nowhere". Yes, Wes Miller has not acted as an assistant coach at a Power 5 school, if that is a must have for the next WF job, then Wes Miller doesn't qualify. FWIW, Danny Manning was a Kansas assistant for six years and worked for the program for 9 in total. Jeff [name redacted] was an NBA and Power V college assistant for 20 years. That experience as an assistant hasn't translated into success for the WF basketball program.
Thanks for noting the spelling error. Hey, can you explain your issues with Clawson's PTO offense again?
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What you did was tell half the story. It made each of those coaches look a lot weaker and you knew what you were doing. That's the problem.
As to PTO, I laughed about it at the time. OTOH, you shifted to whatabout RJ.
As to PTO, I laughed about it at the time. OTOH, you shifted to whatabout RJ.
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I've been following Miller's career and I'm just not impressed. The school itself doesn't matter as much as how he coaches and recruits. Frankly, I'm just not that impressed. Miller is doing well for UNCG, but well for UNCG isn't going to cut it at Wake. Compare Miller's resume with Forbes and I don't think it's really even close in terms of who is a better candidate for this job. But it's an opinion and opinions are like assholes, as they say, so take mine with a grain of salt.
Actually, I am more skeptical of Wes Miller BECAUSE of his Wake Forest backgrounds. I wouldn’t want our relationship with Wake Forest and the Miller family to be tampered with if Miller doesn’t do well.
Wes has proven he’s a winner, he’s well spoken, and he knows his teams strengths and weaknesses and he’s willing to adjust with those. This year he’s said that he wants to use his deep bench, and athleticism to his advantage by putting pressure on the opposition. He has said that multiple times. That shows me immediately that he’s able to identify things, something the current HC cannot do.
He’s a great coach, but I don’t think it would be a good fit. He has a JUCO background and still pulls a lot of players from JUCO programs. I just don’t see him working out at Wake.
UNCW and UNCG is a (fairly) lateral move. He got a decent contract in 2018. Maybe that’s not big enough of a step to move away from UNCG.
completely false
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Cool story, except at Tennessee and Wichita State where he helped recruit 8 top-100 players. He's been scouting high school players since Adidas ABCD camp was a thing. BTW that same line of thinking really worked well with Nate Oats, who landed a 4* top 100 player his first year at Alabama.
Strickland33
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Why have we been talking about Wes for the past five years? Donaldross literally incepting that idea into being. That's why.
Strickland33
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You're probably a lot more up on this than I am at this stage. We've been making lists on here since 2011, buckets, and we all (myself included) say who we like on those lists. I don't claim to possess any special knowledge or anything and I haven't watched a minute of Wake this year, but the single track focus on Wes is just kind of absurd. I'll see myself out...
Strickland33
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For about twenty years I was really into Wake Forest basketball recruiting. I haven't paid any attention in a couple years. I do know, though, that a lot of the guys that y'all constantly claim won't be good fits because they have [x] recruiting weakness beat us (and will continue to beat us) for recruits down the line.
Duh, because he has WF connections. That's a non-starter for some on this board. Whereas it is perhaps an asset at most other places, not for the most self-loathing fan base around.