Better Call Saul, The Mafia Game. Indies Win! Gooner, GAT and Duff

[Toogs]

You sent in a hit. The hit failed. That's it in it's simplest terms. I know you and I love you, so I know you will disagree. If you were the hittee and discovered I gave the vig back that killed you, you would unquestionably have the opposite opinion. You like to kill people. I get it.

She said it was a jailing, I thought from knowledge. I retract what I said if it was something else.

 

[Toogs]

also parlay you don't need to defend yourself. This shit is hard to do. And frankly there were 4 factions left with 6 players remaining so criticisms of *OVERALL* balance are just sour grapes. Criticism of relative powers of mafia factions, on the other hand are ENTIRELY VALID.

lol I couldn't believe they had 5 when they had a GF

 

[TownieDeac]

i nailed bym in my 2nd post of the game, got that bastard down to a science. full disclosure i thought boston and nonny were mafia as well so im only 33% for this game

Hell yea pimp

 

[deacon14]

Can I ask about gouda’s bribing role? We were pretty unclear what that actually did throughout the game.

In reality, did it only affect rb’s/kills/invests or whatever that were targeted at Fring mafia members? We were hung up for a while because theoretically, the most beneficial action for Fring mafia would have been telling Juice that SD3 was maf. Also, how would it have affected Gat?

 

[Toogs]

Can I ask about gouda’s bribing role? We were pretty unclear what that actually did throughout the game.

In reality, did it only affect rb’s/kills/invests or whatever that were targeted at Fring mafia members? We were hung up for a while because theoretically, the most beneficial action for Fring mafia would have been telling Juice that SD3 was maf. Also, how would it have affected Gat?

why did you pick me to fake clear?

 

[WhisperingEye]

@parlay I still dont understand my role writeup about my bloodthirsty teammates and revealing who I was to them, nor why my vig was hidden, although I considered using it on knight and now wish I had because I would have caught gat's bullshit in fringchad

Yeah, the vig hit being hidden was just poor writing. I actually meant for it to be seen by everyone because I wanted to give them incentive to keep you around. The other mafia had a GF and a role cop/recruiter (role cop even nights and search for nacho or his dad nightly). The banker is a minor + role. The Limited BPV was not as strong as the GF. I would argue Lalo was more powerful than Mike and your vig was better than an every other night banker. Each had a double agent but the frings could lose one, they could also gain one. You could only lose one. So I added the vig late to get you guys a little closer to Fring's powers and I guess I put it in the wrong place. I knew they were a little stronger but I didn't think it was unfairly so to the point you had no chance. I think you guys proved that correct with a huge handicap of a no show. It's a credit to how well the 4 of you played.

I'm loathe to do this because no good can come from it but knight played so well that during the night he was hit, Maf 1 was solely focused on Boston as Hector

The Blood thirsty stuff was to give you incentive not to do what you said above and say "hey guys, Mike is other mafia and duff and gooner are something we need to get rid of. Given the show, what do you think Lalo would do to nacho if nacho came to him and said that stuff? He'd say thanks and slit nacho's throat

 

[WhisperingEye]

Thanks parlay. Unfortunately, on my own personal end, we’re approaching the point where I don’t have the ability to contribute much to these games. When all I can do is skim 20 pages in 3 mins to make a vote before trying to get back in a couple of hours to do the same thing again, it means I probably shouldn’t be playing.

This makes me sad.

As you can see, I'm almost 4 hours behind in the thread and will likely still be answering things next week.

I'll drink to iggles tonight. You are indeed a legend but change that fucking avatar, would you?

 

[Toogs]

Yeah, the vig hit being hidden was just poor writing. I actually meant for it to be seen by everyone because I wanted to give them incentive to keep you around. The other mafia had a GF and a role cop/recruiter (role cop even nights and search for nacho or his dad nightly). The banker is a minor + role. The Limited BPV was not as strong as the GF. I would argue Lalo was more powerful than Mike and your vig was better than an every other night banker. Each had a double agent but the frings could lose one, they could also gain one. You could only lose one. So I added the vig late to get you guys a little closer to Fring's powers and I guess I put it in the wrong place. I knew they were a little stronger but I didn't think it was unfairly so to the point you had no chance. I think you guys proved that correct with a huge handicap of a no show. It's a credit to how well the 4 of you played.

I'm loathe to do this because no good can come from it but knight played so well that during the night he was hit, Maf 1 was solely focused on Boston as Hector

The Blood thirsty stuff was to give you incentive not to do what you said above and say "hey guys, Mike is other mafia and duff and gooner are something we need to get rid of. Given the show, what do you think Lalo would do to nacho if nacho came to him and said that stuff? He'd say thanks and slit nacho's throat

no game incentive for him to do that, story aside. I didn't really consider as I thought we were done and I would easily win with Frings, of course not knowing gat was a cunt

 

[deacon14]

why did you pick me to fake clear?

To signal to your mafia that I was lying, so that I didn’t get crosshit. Gouda also had a great point that if I fake cleared the real backup cop by mistake then I was obviously trapped.

 

[deacon14]

It was also a thing where whenever I inevitably went down it went bring you down with me. And we knew you were maf2 Nacho obviously

 

[Toogs]

It was also a thing where whenever I inevitably went down it went bring you down with me. And we knew you were maf2 Nacho obviously

but as far as you knew you wanted me alive. Your claim killed me, I think. My claim was nothing special but fit the game and I could have survived another day or 2. Bad luck on timing though it looked like we planned the reveals

 

[deacon14]

Yeah, the vig hit being hidden was just poor writing. I actually meant for it to be seen by everyone because I wanted to give them incentive to keep you around. The other mafia had a GF and a role cop/recruiter (role cop even nights and search for nacho or his dad nightly). The banker is a minor + role. The Limited BPV was not as strong as the GF. I would argue Lalo was more powerful than Mike and your vig was better than an every other night banker. Each had a double agent but the frings could lose one, they could also gain one. You could only lose one. So I added the vig late to get you guys a little closer to Fring's powers and I guess I put it in the wrong place. I knew they were a little stronger but I didn't think it was unfairly so to the point you had no chance. I think you guys proved that correct with a huge handicap of a no show. It's a credit to how well the 4 of you played.

I'm loathe to do this because no good can come from it but knight played so well that during the night he was hit, Maf 1 was solely focused on Boston as Hector

The Blood thirsty stuff was to give you incentive not to do what you said above and say "hey guys, Mike is other mafia and duff and gooner are something we need to get rid of. Given the show, what do you think Lalo would do to nacho if nacho came to him and said that stuff? He'd say thanks and slit nacho's throat

To be fair, we only thought Boston over Knight for Hector because of Knight’s dumbtelling.

 

[Gaterrapin]

I'm loathe to do this because no good can come from it but knight played so well that during the night he was hit, Maf 1 was solely focused on Boston as Hector

i, sir, will take that bait! Knight seemed utterly clueless at that point and Boston couldn’t stop sounding like maf. Also I knew Goon was hitting Knight. I would likely still have pushed for Boston but that made it a clear cut choice.

i called him as Toogs teammate a day or two before in M1 chat when he was painfully obviously trying to bus Toogs.

 

[deacon14]

but as far as you knew you wanted me alive. Your claim killed me, I think. My claim was nothing special but fit the game and I could have survived another day or 2. Bad luck on timing though it looked like we planned the reveals

Yeah the timing sucked. You had enough heat that I think we figured you’d die before the last of salamanca maf, and therefore never join our mafia fully. If I’d seen your claim before making mine maybe that changes.

I also preferred that we lynch JMan or Tejas there instead of you, as we thought that was either last maf2 other than you or civs to get out of the way. Ended up getting JMan lynched, which was good.

 

[WhisperingEye]

Who killed me? I want to thank that person.

This role should not be in any mafia game.

Howard Hamlin (Civ) - You are Howard Hamlin of HHM. As managing partner, you are very image conscious. As a result, you want to avoid any chance your image is tarnished. Therefore, you must never vote for a player that is eliminated during the day. If you do, you will be administratively removed from the game. You win with the town.

I was going to come out at the start of day 2 saying something like, "For the rest of this game, I will be voting for whoever is the most civ of the group. I will give reads and say who I think should be lynched each round and people should use those reads to evaluate if I'm civ or mafia. But not my votes as they will never be relevant." It prob would have worked but would have just led to unnecessary complications that don't help the game.

I'm going to end my comments here (until maybe later tonight)

If anyone told me my war with nonny was going to last more than a week or be this fun, I would have called them a liar.

I have given PH shit in the past and I was inaccurate in what I said. He called me on it and I apologized. I said a while back that PH wouldn't be welcome here because I didn't want him to ruin the game. Again, I was wrong. PH was great. Played well. Most importantly, he recognized that the role wasn't personal and he had fun with it, which is the point of playing the game. I kept laughing every time he would make a pompous comment and someone would quote him and be like... "I've never seen this PH before". I was happy he was having fun with the role.
When I saw where Nonny landed, my first thought was (especially after his comment in the sign up) he is going to say I godmodded him. Then I said, fuck it. Karma's a bitch. Maybe it was for both of us. I was never as good as some as a Mod but holy fuck. The saddest part is I'm logging 12 - 14 hour days and I was still terrible. It was like a fell in a hole and it kept getting deeper.

Nonny - I'm sorry you elected to take the role as an affront to your mafia prowess rather than a challenge to see how well you could play it. I have a lot of regrets about this game. Writing that role, which is very show appropriate, and including it in the game is not one of them. Lucky for you, you won't ever have to worry about me modding a game you are in again.

 

[Gaterrapin]

I legit felt bad for Jman. Dude got railroaded by both mafs. Me and knight both all over him.

 

[deacon14]

JMan why did you not vig me? You were (correctly) all over me.

 

[gouda]

but as far as you knew you wanted me alive. Your claim killed me, I think. My claim was nothing special but fit the game and I could have survived another day or 2. Bad luck on timing though it looked like we planned the reveals

Your claim would have gotten you killed I think. The idea was that your maf would be pro fake cop and we thought it might create some more confusion once d14 died. I was a little surprised that you were lynched back to back without really any discussion.

I also was tempted to fake claim the "real cop" and guilty juice the day that he outed his guilty on me...would have been fun. I think I could have gotten him lynched if I'd have guiltied him before he came out

 

[Gaterrapin]

I don’t think he had the gun until the day he got lynched. Earned it the night before.

 

[DeacdeTejas]

Parlay dont give yourself too much grief. Modding is hard and this game was fun