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Wake Football Week 1 - Clemson discussion

Pilchard said:
The similarity between the situation in 1968 when Freddy Summers broke the WF football color barrier, and today with football players openly supporting the BLM movement is the reflexive response of a segment of fans/alums who: a) vow to never give another dime to the school or the football program; b) refuse to follow the Deacs after years/decades of claimed loyalty. Same reaction to an evolving social/political phenomenon in both 1968 and 2020.

Well, that and insisting on living on the wrong side of history.

Sorry to disappoint, but we live an age when many people (athletes in particular) who have a public voice because they play in a high-profile arena elect to use to point out social ills. Those who think that athletes should simply shut up and play the game are on the wrong side of history; so, either accept that athletes will now elect to use their platform to support causes that not everyone agrees with or find something else to do. Acting like we should return to the good old days when athletes were just happy to play the sport is over, just like in 1968, it was over for those that enjoyed attending a football games with just white boys out there.
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A clarification - Fast Freddie didn't break the WF football color barrier. There were several black players already on our team when Freddie transferred in. The barrier Freddie broke was being "the first African-American quarterback to start for a major Southern university. That was five seasons ahead of any SEC school." https://www.charlotteobserver.com/sports/college/article168280867.html

'67-'68 was my freshman year. While I have no doubt there were some, perhaps many, alumni who hated the integration of sports at Wake, by 1967 the student body certainly seemed supportive (then again, I didn't hang out with any KA's). BTW, in 1968 Freddie led us to a 27-14 lead over 5th ranked Purdue before the Boilermakers came back to win 28-27.
 
ConnorEl said:
Black lives matter.

Sadly, that needs to be said.

Proud of our coaches, team, and school.
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Unfortunately the Black Lives Matter Organization has kind of hi-jacked the #BLM movement. While some can have some issues with #BLM (vs All or Blue lives matter) the jest of the movement is bringing attention to what many feel is racial injustice towards blacks. That's fine and dandy but the BLM organization is much more radical and supports ideals that, I dare say, most black people do not support, but because they are bringing attention to the issues at hand many are OK with it. When white people see the two groups lumped into one I think that is where many white people have problems. It's not that white people don't support #BLM but rather by supporting a lot of what's going on now you are basically support The BLM Organization.
Just my 2 cents.
 
GoDeacsGo said:
Unfortunately the Black Lives Matter Organization has kind of hi-jacked the #BLM movement. While some can have some issues with #BLM (vs All or Blue lives matter) the jest of the movement is bringing attention to what many feel is racial injustice towards blacks. That's fine and dandy but the BLM organization is much more radical and supports ideals that, I dare say, most black people do not support, but because they are bringing attention to the issues at hand many are OK with it. When white people see the two groups lumped into one I think that is where many white people have problems. It's not that white people don't support #BLM but rather by supporting a lot of what's going on now you are basically support The BLM Organization.
Just my 2 cents.
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Kinda seems like many white people want to have a reason to dismiss BLM and go back to ignoring these issues, and this new "Organization" vs. "Message" hair-splitting is just an easy way to do that.
 
GoDeacsGo said:
Unfortunately the Black Lives Matter Organization has kind of hi-jacked the #BLM movement. While some can have some issues with #BLM (vs All or Blue lives matter) the jest of the movement is bringing attention to what many feel is racial injustice towards blacks. That's fine and dandy but the BLM organization is much more radical and supports ideals that, I dare say, most black people do not support, but because they are bringing attention to the issues at hand many are OK with it. When white people see the two groups lumped into one I think that is where many white people have problems. It's not that white people don't support #BLM but rather by supporting a lot of what's going on now you are basically support The BLM Organization.
Just my 2 cents.
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This definitely does not read as a white person trying to say “sure, Black Lives Matter BUT....”
 
Whocares said:
Kinda seems like many white people want to have a reason to dismiss BLM and go back to ignoring these issues, and this new "Organization" vs. "Message" hair-splitting is just an easy way to do that.
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Not at all. If you think the difference in BLM and #BLM is splitting hairs I can't help that. Obviously black lives matter but I don't think its' healthy for the black community to eliminate the 2 parent "nuclear family" or encourage followers to disavow their family members if they do not either support black lives matter by either marching in protest or donate through financial contribution.
 
This is the part of the black lives matter website that gets people up in arms. But you can’t read the second paragraph without the first. It’s some pretty important context for what they are talking about.

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There's lots of evidence that a child has much more opportunity in life living in a 2 parent (preferably male and female) household. Wanting to dismantle that 2 parent structure is harmful. Maybe not for the parent but for the child. A child needs a father and mother figure that a "village" community will not provide. Sorry if my comments sidetracked a Clemson/Wake thread. Go Deacs.
 
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GoDeacsGo said:
Do you think disrupting the western prescribed nuclear family is a good thing?
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Do you think supporting your community members as an extended family and helping to collectively care for them to the degree that they are comfortable with is a bad thing?

Seems like you are latching on to one phrase and spinning out your own meaning of it without trying to understand what the meaning behind the phrase actually is
 
GoDeacsGo said:
Do you think disrupting the western prescribed nuclear family is a good thing?
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you're leaving out "requirement"


butI do find it interesting that so much of the canon of western literature is by white men pondering the suffocating nature of modern domestic life concurrently that groups like BLM identify its limitations from a different point of view
 
BeachBumDeac said:
Do you think supporting your community members as an extended family and helping to collectively care for them to the degree that they are comfortable with is a bad thing?

Seems like you are latching on to one phrase and spinning out your own meaning of it without trying to understand what the meaning behind the phrase actually is
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sorry, I updated my post during your post.
 
GoDeacsGo said:
There's lots of evidence that a child has much more opportunity in life living in a 2 parent (preferably male and female) household. Wanting to dismantle that 2 parent structure is harmful. Maybe not for the parent but for the child. A child needs a father and mother figure that a "village" community will not provide. Sorry if my comments sidetracked a Clemson/Wake thread. Go Deacs.
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So if a child is born to a single parent, the community should not try to provide support for them at all, to try to incentivize that single mom to go out and find a husband?
 
I recall that Butch Henry was the first black Wake footballer. He was an outstanding wide receiver playing his senior year with little qb help. Bill Overton and Bob Grant were also early Wake black quality players. The B Colts drafted Grant, a black belt in karate, in the second round. Grant was a relative bust.
 
BeachBumDeac said:
So if a child is born to a single parent, the community should not try to provide support for them at all, to try to incentivize that single mom to go out and find a husband?
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"a child" is the key phrase here. But when the same woman of any race (though primarily white and black; don't see it much if at all in the Latino ,Asian,Native American, etc. communities) continue to have babies by different men and then go straight to social services to sign them up on "the program", the chances of that child turning in to an independently-functioning adult are nil. By no means does that make that mother a "bad" person, in fact some of the best and most most caring moms are the ones who have had to do it alone and w/o the support of the dad, but if you truly want the best for your child, it only makes sense to limit the brood to a number you can manage, regardless if you're in a relationship with the dad. The fact that is not even mentioned in discussions on how to alleviate poverty has always baffled me.
 
DownEastDeac said:
"a child" is the key phrase here. But when the same woman of any race (though primarily white and black; don't see it much if at all in the Latino ,Asian,Native American, etc. communities) continue to have babies by different men and then go straight to social services to sign them up on "the program", the chances of that child turning in to an independently-functioning adult are nil. By no means does that make that mother a "bad" person, in fact some of the best and most most caring moms are the ones who have had to do it alone and w/o the support of the dad, but if you truly want the best for your child, it only makes sense to limit the brood to a number you can manage, regardless if you're in a relationship with the dad. The fact that is not even mentioned in discussions on how to alleviate poverty has always baffled me.
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Free and easy access to contraception in order to limit “the brood” (gross) IS in fact discussed a lot. And always blocked by a certain party. Mainly the party that draws a distinction between BLM and #BLM
 
It’s truly unfathomable that we still have folks who don’t understand this. Mind boggling. There comes a time that it isn’t even worth entertaining the dialogue. Black lives matter...End of fucking story. They don’t matter more than other lives...no one is fucking saying that. Black people have been discriminated on for years. Yes, things are better modern day but racism is still prevalent. Anyone who “whatabouts” this discussion is either racist or a complete moron. No middle ground, no grey area. End of story.
 
BeachBumDeac said:
Free and easy access to contraception in order to limit “the brood” (gross) IS in fact discussed a lot. And always blocked by a certain party. Mainly the party that draws a distinction between BLM and #BLM
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I like to hammer as much as the next guy; all for free contraceptives if that helps keep unwanted pregnancies to a manageable level.
 
BobHWS decided to nearer my last post saying “Go Clemson beat Wake”.

To you sir, you can go fuck yourself and I will say that to your face if we cross paths at a game down the road. You small minded dick head.
 
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